Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

what Armenian minority? Armenians were either butchered or forced out.

Hey, kid, I told you before, not every Kurd lives in North Kurdistan, and not every Kurd took part in whatever happened, ok? there are Armenians living in Duhok and Ainkawa of Southern Kurdistan, and while your countries constitution makes no reference of Kurds at all, our constitution recognizes even the smallest minority that are probably not even 10,000.

Article 6

First: The people of Kurdistan-Iraq consist of Kurds and other nationalities, Turkmen, Chaldeans, Assyrians, Armenians, and Arabs, who are citizens of Kurdistan Region in accordance with the law.

Article 14

First: Kurdish and Arabic shall be two official languages in Kurdistan Region, and this Constitution guarantees the rights of citizens of Kurdistan Region to the education of their children in their mother-tongue languages such as Turkmen, Assyrian, and Armenian in Kurdistan governmental educational institutions according to educational regulations.

Second: Turkmen and Assyrian languages are two other official languages besides Kurdish and Arabic in the Administrative Units densely populated by people speaking these languages, and this shall be regulated by law.

Now, your government does nothing for Kurds other than spread crap on Wiki, and promote division between them confused Yazidis and other Kurds, having said that... out of Kurds, Turks and Armenians, whom treat their minorities the best? Our constitution and the fact that every minority teach in their own language at schools answers for itself, now hop along with your xxxxty attitude.

Also, the fact that we give 1 seat to an Armenian MP, 5 to Christians and 5 to Turkmen even if no one votes for their lists just shows who is more tolerant.

[Mos]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Yeah yeah whatever, I'm not really bothered by having not having ties with Armenia, as long as our Armenian minority is happy I'm alright with that.

what Armenian minority? Armenians were either butchered or forced out.

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

The Turkish elite, across its civilian and military, secular and Islamist divisions, is unanimous in rejecting the foundation of a national homeland for the Kurds in northern Iraq because it would provide inspiration for Turkey’s 15 million Kurds. This in turn would threaten a split of the Turkish state, which has been in an armed conflict against the Kurdish Labor Party (PKK) since 1983. Moreover, Turkey – one of the most crucial Sunni states in the Middle East – fears the emergence of an oil-rich Shiite state in southern Iraq allied to Iran, which could upset the balance of power in the region in Iran’s favor.

Source: http://www.arabinsight.org/aiarticles/175.pdf

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

see, what happens from these types of arguments is that the Turks win. Put emotions aside, and look at politics from a mature point of view. we get back to these quarrels once the bigger threat has been taken out. That's all i'm saying. we don't have to love eachother, but right now we've got a common interest and bigger fish to fry. we'll get back to fighting e/o once our common enemy is taken out. now is not the time for that.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Yeah yeah whatever, I'm not really bothered by having not having ties with Armenia, as long as our Armenian minority is happy I'm alright with that.

[Mos]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Having ties with Armenia will not change our plans any way, and with that kind of attitude I'd rather not have ties with Armenia. Besides what benefits do we get from having ties with Armenia... NONE.

This attitude is fully justified given the crimes that Kurds and Turks have committed together, and the fact that they occupy our lands, and destroy our cultural points.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

I will always welcome a free kurdistan over Turkish territory. But I won't be embracing Kurds as 'brothers' or 'friends' because I know very well who they are. If they decide to have good relations with us, than great, but as Armenians we should always know who our real friends are and never let ourselves trust a people like the Kurds. Plus, there's good chance those Kurds would move more and more to Armenia, because I doubt they will be able to make anything out of their own country, and thus it is something we will have to prevent. A better scenario of course would be that backward mountain Turks don't roam our historical lands.

Having ties with Armenia will not change our plans any way, and with that kind of attitude I'd rather not have ties with Armenia. Besides what benefits do we get from having ties with Armenia... NONE.

[kurdman]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Artsakh,

The feeling is mutual.

[Mos]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Axper Jan,

I don't care for Kurds, nor am I adovacating backing the Kurds in their struggle. However, I support the estabishment of a Kurdish state because it will serve as a base for expansion into Turkey. The kurds in Turkey aren't going to stop, and the establishment of a kurdish state in n. iraq will only encourage. All I'm saying is, these are welcoming developments, because, when the time comes and serious conflict erupts, Armenia must be ready to take advantage of the situation and settle our issue with the Turks once and for all. Various greek politicans and parties have stated their support for the estbalihsment of independent kurdistan in n. iraq. I believe they, too, don't love the kurds, but see interests in it for themselves.

I will always welcome a free kurdistan over Turkish territory. But I won't be embracing Kurds as 'brothers' or 'friends' because I know very well who they are. If they decide to have good relations with us, than great, but as Armenians we should always know who our real friends are and never let ourselves trust a people like the Kurds. Plus, there's good chance those Kurds would move more and more to Armenia, because I doubt they will be able to make anything out of their own country, and thus it is something we will have to prevent. A better scenario of course would be that backward mountain Turks don't roam our historical lands.

[Artsakh]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

Why not just let Kurds and Turks kill themselves? The barbaric people deserve each other.

In my view helping the Kurds, might draw us in a deeper situation, and honestly I wouldn't want us to be doing business with them. Is an independent Kurdistan good for us? Possibly, but it is also possible they heed to Azeri/Turkish demands and interests and just be another anti-Armenian state. With their barbaric history of massacring innocent people - I wouldn't be surprised.

Axper Jan,

I don't care for Kurds, nor am I adovacating backing the Kurds in their struggle. However, I support the estabishment of a Kurdish state because it will serve as a base for expansion into Turkey. The kurds in Turkey aren't going to stop, and the establishment of a kurdish state in n. iraq will only encourage. All I'm saying is, these are welcoming developments, because, when the time comes and serious conflict erupts, Armenia must be ready to take advantage of the situation and settle our issue with the Turks once and for all. Various greek politicans and parties have stated their support for the estbalihsment of independent kurdistan in n. iraq. I believe they, too, don't love the kurds, but see interests in it for themselves.