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Originally posted by Baron DantsI'm having a hard time keeping myself from going crazy over what happened last night in Yerevan.
I am especially worried, since my family resides on Marshal Baghramian poghots.
POLICE DISPERSE OPPOSITION RALLY
YEREVAN, APRIL 13, ARMENPRESS: Armenian police used water cannons and stun grenades to disperse an opposition rally in Yerevan, that was demanding the resignation of president Robert Kocharian. A special operation for driving the protesters from the Marshal Baghramian Avenue, where the presidential palace and the parliament building are situated, was started today morning at 02.00, local time.
The police told Armenpress that the decision to start the operation was made after the unsanctioned rally, organized by the Ardarutyun (Justice ) alliance and the National Unity on April 12, moved from Theater Square in downtown Yerevan to Baghramian Avenue, developing into an uncontrolled gathering that was accompanied by provocative calls and offensive language together with announcements for a violent overthrow of the current authorities.
The police said the gathering disrupted the traffic and normal work of several government agencies and foreign diplomatic missions and public order, as the demonstrators were singing and dancing, shattering peace and quiet of residents in nearby houses.
The police said that despite numerous warnings that their actions were illegal and in violation of laws, and that they would be retaliated appropriately if continued, the demonstrators took no notice, throwing in response fire-bombs, bottles and stones.
The police said the demonstrators' actions were getting more and more aggressive, threatening both police officers and ordinary citizens, as a result they had to apply physical force and other measures, stipulated by the Law on Police, to stave off further offenses of the law and neutralize the danger to people's life and health. The police said demonstrators were armed with batons, metal rods and knives.
The clash between police officers and demonstrators left several officers and demonstrators injured, some were taken to hospitals. The police said some of opposition activists and leaders were detained, including a parliament member Shavarsh Kocharian, who, they said, was armed with a gun. Some of other opposition leaders took to flight. The police said they are now tying to track them down and arrest. The police said they have notified the chief prosecutor about their actions. They also said that the situation is now under the full control of the authorities.
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That, and this:
Police brutality reached a new height in Armenia on Tuesday when four journalists covering the heavy-handed government response to an opposition demonstration were beaten up and badly injured by security forces.
Armenia’s opposition faced the worst ever government crackdown in the early hours of Tuesday after its peaceful demonstration in Yerevan was brutally dispersed by security forces using water cannons and stun grenades.
And some great words from Raffi Hovanissian about the whole thing
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You want Kocharian out but the Azeris also want their arch enemy Kocharian out... Kocharian won the Presidental vote,last April, Armenia's Constitutional Court confirmed the results of the presidential vote... So whats the problem?
Why do you want to "overthrow" the Goverment of Armenia? The Armenian oppostion is funded by "external forces" why would and Armenian support that.... Either way Kocharian is here to stay until 2008, the stability of Armenia is the most important thing... Even though I support Kocharian I will still criticize him respectfully about the fight against corruption, the shadow economy, and the system of clans, but know this we are a WAR! Their are "dark forces" out their who would like nothing better that to see Armenia wiped off the map...
Kind Regards
A.R.
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Originally posted by A.R.You want Kocharian out but the Azeris also want their arch enemy Kocharian out... Kocharian won the Presidental vote,last April, Armenia's Constitutional Court confirmed the results of the presidential vote... So whats the problem?
Why do you want to "overthrow" the Goverment of Armenia? The Armenian oppostion is funded by "external forces" why would and Armenian support that.... Either way Kocharian is here to stay until 2008, the stability of Armenia is the most important thing... Even though I support Kocharian I will still criticize him respectfully about the fight against corruption, the shadow economy, and the system of clans, but know this we are a WAR! Their are "dark forces" out their who would like nothing better that to see Armenia wiped off the map...
Kind Regards
A.R.
Just because he won a (rigged) election doesn't mean he has the right to erase freedom of expression and freedom of the press off the constitution.
Even if there is no revolution, I'm hoping the authorities will WAKE UP, and wake up soon. Our country deserves better.
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Lets see who runs the propaganda machine called RFE/RL "Armenia" Liberty
which you love to get your news {I call it Propaganda} from...
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Armenian society is already realizing who and what 'dark forces' are behind the RFE/RL
RADIO LISTENER INFURIATED BY RFE/RL REPORTING
'I was extremely enraged after reading a mean and shameless
story, posted on your Internet website, telling about how the
Armenian youths reacted to demonstration of a Turkish film in
Yerevan. But it was not the protest of the youths that made me
furious, but your denial of the Armenian genocide,' Zareh
Sinanian, an employee of a well-known Californian Zelle-Hofmann
legal firm, wrote in a latter, addressed to the Armenian Service
of the RFE/RL.
'It was an unprincipled story and not signed. The events and
historical facts of 1915 Enough! You have exposed long before your true face
as the
propaganda machine that serves the interests of the USA and
Israel's ally Turkey. It is not the first time when you present
the horrible crime, committed against Armenians, as the sole
result of Armenians' imagination.
We, Armenians, know well the difference between the slaughters
and genocide. You know it too. But you continue presenting this
issue in a way as if looking at it 'from the other side.' If it
is so, try to look at the Holocaust from the 'side of Nazis.'
Will you dare? Of course, not. Because, there is no 'the other
side', as is the case with Armenians. Either you are
demonstrating an unprofessional approach or you add to the
propaganda of the USA, which makes possible the removal of
exhibits, related to Armenian genocide, from the Los
Angeles-based Museum of Tolerance, or you are continuing the
denial of the Armenian genocide 'because of nationals security reasons.'
In a response letter, Emil Danielian, an editor of the Armenian
service of the RFE/RL, described it as 'a slander,' not worth
the RFE/RL's attention. He noted that the report in question was
provided to RFE/RL by Agence France Press, adding that 'no news
agency is entitled to amend or edit a report, received from
another agency.' Then, reminding that the RFE/RL website is
visited by thousands of people and their radio reports are also
listened to by thousands of people, he advises Sinanian to look
at how the RFE/RL reported about April 24.'We do not need
lessons in moral, especially from narrow-minded people,' Emil
Danielian concluded.
But it appears that the way how the RFE/RL reported about April
24 commemoration of the Genocide victims was also insulting for
Armenians, as it forced Zareh Sinanian to dispatch another
letter to Danielian, in which he says: 'It is you who needs
moral lessons. You again hide yourselves behind a report of
another agency in order to express your position. Genocide
commemoration in Yerevan you confront to the angry reaction of
Turkey to unveiling a monument to Armenian composer Komitas in
Paris, yielding once again to their supporters and their lies.
You explanations to this effect are not at all appropriate. You
selected purposely (like last April 22) a report, which is of a
denial nature. If you reprint or broadcast such 'garbage,' it
becomes yours too. There is fear and meanness, hidden behind
your position to present also the other, denialist, side of the
question. You must either accept the fact of genocide openly or
deny it. There is no middle way.
I understand that your welfare depends on your work, but there
are some other things in this world, which do not sell. Do not
allow you to be involved into the crimes of others. Their
interests are diametrically opposed to ours. The Armenian
society is already realizing who and what 'dark forces' are
behind the RFE/RL. Their policy is not only anti-Armenian but
also anti-human. There is not a bit of freedom in their service.
Shame on you that you continue the job started by the Ottoman
Empire,' by these words Sinanian ends his letter.
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THOMAS A. DINE is president of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Inc. During his tenure, new broadcasts were launched in Arabic to Iraq, in Persian to Iran, in Albanian to Kosovo, Serbia, in Russian to Latvia, in Macedonian to Macedonia, in Dari and Pashto to Afghanistan, in Avar, Circassian and Chechen to the North Caucasus, and broadcasting to Central Asian and Persian Gulf countries expanded by one third. RFE/RL now broadcasts more than 1000 hours a week from Prague. Prior to assuming his current position, Dine served as the assistant administrator for Europe and the New Independent States of the U.S. Agency for International Development. Earlier he headed the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) from 1980 through June 1993. In the decade of the 1970s, he worked in a variety of professional staff positions in the U.S. Senate and the American Embassy in New Delhi....
Earlier he headed the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
Earlier he headed the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
Earlier he headed the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
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If you go through my past posts, I had repeatedly stated that Armenia needs stability, and that I don't trust Aram Sargsyan/Artashes Geghamian any more than I trust Kocharian. But what Kocharian's clan did today was disgusting.
AR
Do you mean "Kocharian Clan" or "Karabakh Clan"? What Kocharian did today was stop a coup,they were planing a "Revolution Of Roses" like Georgia and we all know that Soros and the US Goverment was behind that so called
"revolution"... This is what happens when you take the law into your own hands...
Attacking journalists and peaceful protesters? If we are going to accept a dictatorship for the sake of stability, we are DOOMED.
AR
Those "peacefull" protesters were plotting a coup... A dictatorship?
Cmon now, any goverment would have done the same thing, you should
have seen what the DC police did to the IMF protestors last year it makes what happend in Armenia childs play...
Just because he won a (rigged) election doesn't mean he has the right to erase freedom of expression and freedom of the press off the constitution.
AR
So you are telling me that Dermichyan beat Kocharyan?
Even if there is no revolution, I'm hoping the authorities will WAKE UP, and wake up soon. Our country deserves better.
AR
Deservers better but who? Who??? Kocharian is our President whether you like it or not until 2008....
Kind Regards
A.R.
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That Turkic stock President Kocharian is a disgrace. Someone needs to destroy that fool and cut his nads. What is this totalitarianism? When a government is not healthy it has to be overthrown, and the forefathers of America knew that well. Any government that engages in desperates attempts at holding power is a government that has to go.Achkerov kute.
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