Elections in Armenia

[gegev]

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Completely agree with you. Also Hovannisian is following the same path all the other president elects took.
“We had, as you remember, “president-elect” Vazgen Manukyan, “president-elect” Karen Demirchyan, in 2008 we had “president-elect” Levon Ter-Petrosyan, now we have “president-elect” Raffi Hovannisian. It’s OK, it is a part of political tradition in Armenia – the defeated candidate does call the elections “rigged” and declares himself a winner”, Iskandaryan said.
Also all of them declared themselves the winners prior to the vote tally taking place.

Iskandaryan is an old, rusted (he is an "advanced" USSR era "Armenian" that doesn't/can't speak in Armenian, because it is a second grade language: in his opinion) remnant/bomb of Russia left from USSR era.

And don't forget the AG denying book he published. He is too flexible to change sides; when profitable.

[Vrej1915]

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In my last day in Armenia I met Vrej Melkonian, Monte Melkonian's younger cousin, at Yerablur cemetery. He had been part of Asala and the "Arabo" battalion in artsakh. In what turned into a long evening with two of my friends and a few surviving members of Monte's battalion, he mocked the idea that serj had served in the war, or that his service was anything comparable to the average fedayee who fought in the war.

Yes My Dear,
This is generally the opinion among all participants of any section of the front, having actually taken part in frontline operations, in my knowledge.
For instance, contrary to him, Robert did participate an AK in hand, in at least one operation that I know, when every man was a matter for us...
But may be our friend will disclose new scoops today ???

[Mher]

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Dear Haykakan,
You seem to be very well informed.

Just out of curiosity, during wich fight/operation exactly Serj did "put his life on the line to defend our nation?".
Not that I deny he did.
But this is something I never managed to learn.

In my last day in Armenia I met Vrej Melkonian, Monte Melkonian's younger cousin, at Yerablur cemetery. He had been part of Asala and the "Arabo" battalion in artsakh. In what turned into a long evening with two of my friends and a few surviving members of Monte's battalion, he mocked the idea that serj had served in the war, or that his service was anything comparable to the average fedayee who fought in the war.

[Vrej1915]

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Haykakan and Vrej,
Lets not be like after "kisabats lusamutner" commenting people.
Everything is not as black and white between Serj and Raffi. Youve got to look a little deeper than that. Both are patriots. But I think that it is not smart for supporter of one just throw stones on other and block all sences.
Serj in my opinion was a benefit to us for his time. And that time will go on into second term because his opponent is Raffi, not LTP, Gago or Robert. And Raffi's time has come to be a benefit to us too, if he is smart enough. And that wil not mean Serj or Raffi, but what will go on between government and opposition.
For your knowledge, Haykakan, I did not compare Raffi with Gandhi or Mandela. I just sayd that we need somebody like them. Who he will be, will show the time.

Dear Hakob,
I never said I was a supporter of Raffi.
I must say I have a good idea about him, but I think I know a little more about Serjik, certainly as most Armenians...
I know a bunch of his "qualities", taught have known much of his contribution in the Artsakh liberation, the reasons of his marvelous promotions... but all this time, had never heard anyone talking about his direct participation in any operation.
If I am not wrong, he himself, never claimed any direct participation, something that deserves respect, (contrary to the likes of Nemetz Rubo lately .....), even if his servants like to mix archive footage of rear/HQ/interviews with frontline, to crate a "heroïc" aura since he reached presidency....
Was just happy to learn something at last from our friend ....,

[Hakob]

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Haykakan and Vrej,
Lets not be like after "kisabats lusamutner" commenting people.
Everything is not as black and white between Serj and Raffi. Youve got to look a little deeper than that. Both are patriots. But I think that it is not smart for supporter of one just throw stones on other and block all sences.
Serj in my opinion was a benefit to us for his time. And that time will go on into second term because his opponent is Raffi, not LTP, Gago or Robert. And Raffi's time has come to be a benefit to us too, if he is smart enough. And that wil not mean Serj or Raffi, but what will go on between government and opposition.
For your knowledge, Haykakan, I did not compare Raffi with Gandhi or Mandela. I just sayd that we need somebody like them. Who he will be, will show the time.

[ninetoyadome]

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Raffi=Gandi? Thats the funniest thing i ever heard. Raffi is a typical american redneck politition-don't be fooled. Serj is way smarter then Raffi. Did Raffi put his life on the line to defend our nation? Does Raffi have militery experience? It saddens me to see our people being fooled time and time again by smooth talking polititions. Just because he is from the west doesnt make him qualified for anything. Some people do not seem to understand some basic stuff even when it has been explained a million times. So long as we have a capitalist system in Hayastan there will be oligarchs, monopolies, gangsters.. I dont care who is the president. Raffi is in no way better then Serj-NONE! What does matter is that we choose a capable leader who can use our resources effectively. If you want to get rid of oligarchs, monopolis and gangsters then you must get rid of the capitalist system. Raffi is not the answer to anything.

Completely agree with you. Also Hovannisian is following the same path all the other president elects took.
“We had, as you remember, “president-elect” Vazgen Manukyan, “president-elect” Karen Demirchyan, in 2008 we had “president-elect” Levon Ter-Petrosyan, now we have “president-elect” Raffi Hovannisian. It’s OK, it is a part of political tradition in Armenia – the defeated candidate does call the elections “rigged” and declares himself a winner”, Iskandaryan said.
Also all of them declared themselves the winners prior to the vote tally taking place.

[Hakob]

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Why would I even remember him over Martin? Let alone mention both in the same sentence!

You should have stuck with Gandhi instead!

Thank you Vahram for this video. This exactly shows my point. I can also bring similar materials of atrocities commited by boers(the whites). And this is what Mandela prevented at a mass scale and brought both races together to a peacefull coexistance. There are things still happening, but not with scale that was predicted.
Now my thoughts do not imply Armenian/azery similar scene yet. LOL... I accept that soon or later we have to come to peacefull coexistence together, but right now because of turks behavior we have to be ready at all times to deliver the blows.
My thoughts in mentioning Mandela is about our internal strifes only. If this oligarkhy xxxx continues like this and situation is not corrected, I fear very much that blood will flow on the streets of Yerevan one day. And its becasue both the rullers and opposition give me the impression that given the right circumstances one side could be ready to cut the other's throat.
We need wise men and, we need to be smart enough ourselfs not to stone them. I don't care their names are Serj, Raffi, Paruyr or what.
I have a hunch that such men have yet to come, and every little step that paves their way I welcome.
Raffi's latest conduct( i haven't watched the news yet, and hope it has not changed) and also Serj's, give me hope that we are going towards right direction.

[Vrej1915]

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Dear Haykakan,
You seem to be very well informed.

Just out of curiosity, during wich fight/operation exactly Serj did "put his life on the line to defend our nation?".
Not that I deny he did.
But this is something I never managed to learn.

[Haykakan]

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Raffi=Gandi? Thats the funniest thing i ever heard. Raffi is a typical american redneck politition-don't be fooled. Serj is way smarter then Raffi. Did Raffi put his life on the line to defend our nation? Does Raffi have militery experience? It saddens me to see our people being fooled time and time again by smooth talking polititions. Just because he is from the west doesnt make him qualified for anything. Some people do not seem to understand some basic stuff even when it has been explained a million times. So long as we have a capitalist system in Hayastan there will be oligarchs, monopolies, gangsters.. I dont care who is the president. Raffi is in no way better then Serj-NONE! What does matter is that we choose a capable leader who can use our resources effectively. If you want to get rid of oligarchs, monopolis and gangsters then you must get rid of the capitalist system. Raffi is not the answer to anything.

[Vahram]

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Black on black! Come right back jack! Keep your hands off my stack.

By the way witch one is Pink?