Elections in Armenia

[Lernakan]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

ARMENIA DOES NOT HAVE TO IMPLEMENT ALL THE POINTS OF THE PACE RESOLUTION

KarabakhOpen
19-04-2008 16:41:10

The PACE resolution has already been adopted, and it is necessary
to think about further actions, said the speaker of the Armenian
parliament Tigran Torosyan in Stepanakert, commenting on the report
on the Armenian presidential election.

"I do not agree with everything in the document but I think that
Armenia which is a member of the Council of Europe will have to take
steps. It does not mean that we must observe every letter of the
resolution. We will be doing what really stems from the interests of
the Armenian people," said Tigran Torosyan. He did not specify which
points Armenia may not implement.

He said, however, that he thinks March 1 is a tragedy but does not
think that it was a deviation from the democratic development. "March
1 will teach us a lesson," said Tigran Torosyan.

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

OK, this breaking news from the US does not have anything to do with Armenian politics... However, ask yourselves this question: How would we Armenians have reacted had something like this occurred in Yerevan? How would have the "democracy" movement in Armenia reacted? Basing my opinion on what I have been able to observe in our people, Armenia would have faced a storm of protests by "independent" media outlets, community activists and commoners alike. Without doubt, official Yerevan would be openly accused of homicide and corruption by entities foreign and domestic. However, since it's the "beacon of light" and "hope of the free world", the US, engaging in the corruption and the murder it somehow goes over people's heads... After all, the authorities did say it was "suicide"... It's gospel, end of story. This reminds me of the biologist in Britain that was murdered several years ago by British secret service because he basically knew too much about the lies that lead to the invasion of Iraq. It was death by "suicide" back then as well, and on one dared to ask questions. I wonder is the horse faced John Hughes of ArmeniaNow will write a scathing article attacking his government in Washington DC and accusing them of corruption and murder, as he seems so fond of doing against Armenian officials in Yerevan.

Armenian

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'DC Madam' found dead in Florida

Deborah Jean Palfrey, the US woman recently convicted for her role as the head of a Washington DC escort agency, has committed suicide, police say. Ms Palfrey, often referred to as "the DC Madam", was found hanged in a shed next to her mother's house in Florida. She was convicted on 15 April of running a prostitution ring, money laundering and mail fraud. The case became famous because of the prominent officials - including Senator David Vitter - who had used the agency.

Ms Palfrey maintained that she had had no knowledge of her escorts engaging in sex acts with their clients. But on 15 April, after hearing testimony from a number of the agency's former employees and clients, a federal jury found her guilty on all counts. She faced a maximum 55-year prison term, but was free pending sentencing on 24 July. Police said that Ms Palfrey had left a suicide note, but did not disclose its contents. "This is a tragic news and my heart goes out to her mother," said Preston Burton, the lawyer who represented Ms Palfrey in her trial.

This would be the second time that someone involved in the scandal has committed suicide. In January, Brandy Britton, a professor at the University of Maryland as well as an employee of the escort service, killed herself before she was due to face trial on prostitution charges. Mr Vitter, a Republican Senator from Louisiana who is married with four children, faced calls to resign when details of his dealings with the escort agency first emerged. The senator apologised for what he described as a "very serious sin", but refused to comment further.

Other patrons of the agency - known as Pamela Martin and Associates - included Nasa officials, top military officers, World Bank and International Monetary Fund executives, as well as the head of the US Agency for International Development (USAID), Randall Tobias, who stepped down after being named as a client.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7378654.stm

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

This women was on the alex jones show and said she was scared for her life, she also said they would try to kill her and make it look like a "suicide".

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1873

[Federation]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Levon Ter-Petrosian on Friday 2, May 2008 :

“Azerbaijan must realize that regardless of the political situation in our country, it would meet with a united resistance of the Armenian people in the event of unleashing a military aggression against Karabakh.”

Those thousands of protesters, naieve as they may be, were supporting Levon in hopes of a change for the better, not out of their Anti-Artsakhci sentiments, as someone on this forum claims for whatever ulterior motive he may have.

Had there been such a "struggle" between Artsakh Armenians and Armenians from Armenia, is such a statement a fitting rallying cry against the Artsakhcis?

As I said earlier, the proof is in Ter-Petrosian's speeches. Even he does not dare to speak about returning Karabakh, as he'd be committing political suicide and loose his support base.

If there are individuals, and you've got names and proof of statements made by them against Artsakh, go ahead and name them. They should be made known, and condemned, and ostracized. Otherwise, don't you dare stand there and say the people of armenia are in a struggle against the Artsakh Armenians. I will not allow it.

http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2008/05/94849AC8-1721-4C29-A618-ABD9B6E6C4D0.ASP

[Armanen]

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There is plenty of proof here and other media that levin was a tool of outside forces, don't you try to state otherwise with the bs article you posted, I WILL NOT ALLOW IT!

[Federation]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

There is plenty of proof here and other media that levin was a tool of outside forces, don't you try to state otherwise with the bs article you posted, I WILL NOT ALLOW IT!

That's not the point here. I know full well who Levon is and what he's all about. No one is praising Levon here. The point is that this guy (<Armenian>) is going around all over the web claiming that there is a division among Armenians, that one group of Armenians are in a struggle against another group of Armenians, etc.. That, asides from being a total lie, is, simply put, music to the ears of our numerous enemies, and I will not stand for it. Will you stand for it? What this guy is doing qualifies as treason in my book.

My point here is to show how wrong his claims are, not to mention how dangerous. If the people of Armenia were of the opinion that "why do we need Artsakh" as <Armenian> claims, LTP would capitalize on it, and not make contradictory statements such as the one he made on a "united resistance of the Armenian people in the event of unleashing a military aggression against Karabakh."

Get me now?

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Please take a look at how levin acted before and after the events of march 1st. Not to mention those around him, levin was a tool of outside forces, whether he was pro or anti Artsakh is not the core issue, which is that he was doing and would do (and is still doing) the bidding of foreigners hostile to the current politcal reality of Armenia. These outside forces do not care about making Armenians happy by bringing them "democracy" or whatever they just wish to add another nation to their zog list.

[Federation]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Please take a look at how levin acted before and after the events of march 1st. Not to mention those around him, levin was a tool of outside forces, whether he was pro or anti Artsakh is not the core issue, which is that he was doing and would do (and is still doing) the bidding of foreigners hostile to the current politcal reality of Armenia. These outside forces do not care about making Armenians happy by bringing them "democracy" or whatever they just wish to add another nation to their zog list.

What are you talking about? Are you able to comprehend anything you read?

I told you already, the fact that Levon was used by dark forces to destabilize the political situation in Armenia is not the matter of dispute here.

When a self-proclaimed <Armenian> goes around yelling that Armenia Armenians and Artsakh Armenians are in a struggle with one another, that the Armenian population of Armenia hates the Armenian population of Artsakh, that Armenians in Armenia are of the opinion "Why do we even need Artsakh," that serves to put a smile on the face of Turks and their chronies, irrespective of the fact that it's untrue.

I'm telling you that Artsakh Armenians and Armenia Armenians are not in a struggle for power. (And in case you've forgotten, LTP is not even a Hayastancy- he's a diasporan Armenian born in Syria.)

I'm telling you that the Armenian population of Armenia loves Artsakh, that Artsakh is the pride and hope of Armenians, that the overwhelming majority of Armenians in Armenia are against the return of ANY territory, and that the Armenian population of Armenia stands ready to defend Artsakh against any and all enemies.

Are you telling me otherwise?

The only reason I'm mentioning LTP here is to prove my point-that the claims made by <Armenian>, for whatever reason they were made-are untrue.

If the statements made by <Armenian> were true, LTP would be coming forth with statements like "We don't need Artsakh," "Artsakh must be returned to Azerbaijan," etc...

If the statements made by <Armenian> were true, LTP would NOT have come forth with statements like "Artsakh will remain Armenian" or speak of a "united resistance of the Armenian people in the event of unleashing a military aggression against Karabakh." As any person with any logic can see, people of the opposite opinion would NOT rally around LTP. And that's what <Armenian> is claiming-that those thousands of people rallying around LTP is an expression of "Anti-Artsakh" sentiments.

And the current authorities are no saints either. They must have allowed some serious mistakes to have caused tens of thousands of Armenians (amongst them many of the same people who demanded his resignation back in 1998) to reluctantly rally around a traitor like LTP. My only hope in the current regime is the presence of the ARF-Dashnak party in government.

In any manner, generalizing that Armenians of Armenia hate Armenians of Artsakh is about the stupidest remarks one could make.

If, however, there are known individuals who have made made Anti-Artsakh remarks, they must be made known public, condemned, and ostracized.

In fact, why don't we start a list of such people:

1) Ronald Suny, Professor Emeritus in the Department of Political Science, University of Chicago



In a speech in Yerevan, Professor Suny remarked that he would like to see the Azerbaijani flag waving in Stepanakert. He barely escaped with his life from the hands of the angry crowd.

[Armanen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I think it is you who does not understand why Armenian posted what he did and I hope he responds to you as well cause I may be wrong.

But the Artsakhi vs. Hayastanci issue was being raised by levin, this is why I and Armenian (among others) keep making a "big deal" about it, there were quite a number of "Armenians" who were calling kocharyan and sarkisyan turks and not real Armenians since they were from Artsakh. The fact that scum like nicole pashinyan would use this sentiment to gain their political needs says more than anything else they have done before. Too many uneducated Armenians like to blame their problems on this or that faction of the elites, and they mistook a couple of bad representatives of Artsakh to mean that all Armenians of Artsakh are like that. I will remind you and others again that I do not like serge or robert, never really did, but I HATE levin and all his inner circle!

[Federation]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I think it is you who does not understand why Armenian posted what he did and I hope he responds to you as well cause I may be wrong.

But the Artsakhi vs. Hayastanci issue was being raised by levin, this is why I and Armenian (among others) keep making a "big deal" about it, there were quite a number of "Armenians" who were calling kocharyan and sarkisyan turks and not real Armenians since they were from Artsakh. The fact that scum like nicole pashinyan would use this sentiment to gain their political needs says more than anything else they have done before. Too many uneducated Armenians like to blame their problems on this or that faction of the elites, and they mistook a couple of bad representatives of Artsakh to mean that all Armenians of Artsakh are like that. I will remind you and others again that I do not like serge or robert, never really did, but I HATE levin and all his inner circle!

There is no "Artsakhi vs. Hayastanci" issue. The problem is one of human nature. Many Armenians, mad at their circumstances, standard of life, etc... associate their situation with the fact that the president and other top leaders are Artsakhci. This, however, does not mean that they hate Artsakh Armenians, or that they are indifferent to whether Artsakh remains in Armenian hands or not. Likewise, many of the same people who now rally around Levon complained of a "Syrian" ruling over them back when LTP was president.

But what <Armenian> has done, stating over and over and over and over, that Artsakh Armenians are in a struggle with Armenia Armenians, amongst other distrubing comments, makes it clear that this guy has some other motive.

And please, don't equate opposition to Serje and Robert as expressions of anti-Artsakh sentiments. To be quite truthful, those two are not well liked by the population of Artsakh either. Even Kocharyan's most bitter critics have not favored returning Artsakh.