Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

[gegev]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Who are the typical Armenian girls/women?

The ones who are able to pronounce a resolute no, each time, when an offer/action violates her core values, self esteem, personal or other settled plans, actions.

Who are the typical Armenian men?

The ones who possess all the values above and, as a reaction to the insulting words/actions is able to fight and force the foe to take it back.

Who should be the man that deserves to be a country’s president?

The one who is able to do all things listed above and, in addition, in most difficult situations, when enforced by the mighty to say, to do something that violates the Armenian interests or core values; resolutely abstaining from the final answer/settlement indefinitely. Or until it is agreed with most of influential politicians who truly are representing majority of Armenian nation here in Armenia and abroad.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

You guys are missing the point. This is just one example. I have been all over the world and seen plenty of Armenian women in different places including Armenia. Why don't you guys let the girls talk and tell about what they think and feel instead of arguing with me.I said in my previous post that not all Armenian girls are like this and i talked about the ones who were.Sexuality is a difficult subject to discuss with your child but it has a extra taboo to it in MOST Armenian families especially when it comes to daughters.KanadaHye do my eyes decieve me or are you of all people implying that education is actually a good thing?"almost as if they had never really left highschool even though they were 40 or 50 yrs old".Correct me if i am wrong but was it not you who said science research should not be funded and that evolution is a load of crap etc..I think the girls should be carrying this discussion and i hope they don't shy away and participate.

Haykakan, I said tax payers shouldn't be funding it, I didn't say it shouldn't be funded. And since when did educated people have to accept evolution as a concrete fact?

You point out one woman (or man) on this planet who doesn't want "the easy life". Are Armenian women a bit more spoiled than some other cultures.... yes. Do they see themselves a little higher up on the human food chain.... yes. This has little to do with our traditional upbringing and a lot to do with our modern world of haves and have nots.

We can't all be j3welers, we can't all be Bill Gates, we can't all be lawyers and doctors... but don't blame it on our Armenian traditions. I have two nieces, and I guarantee you they will have a diploma in their hand before either of them even starts dating. America hasn't seen Armenian fundamentalism yet.

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Some people can only see the world from their point of view... the world to them is their immediate surroundings. Not everyone is fortunate enough to live in different countries and experience different cultures. When I worked in Michigan, I found it odd that most of the people I worked with had never left their own state let alone the US. Their view of the world was so inward looking, almost as if they had never really left highschool even though they were 40 or 50 yrs old.

That's why I said we should always take into account the place, time, and circumstance!

You guys are missing the point. This is just one example. I have been all over the world and seen plenty of Armenian women in different places including Armenia.

So have I, Haykakan ... and here's something ... I LIVE in Armenia!

Why don't you guys let the girls talk and tell about what they think and feel instead of arguing with me.I said in my previous post that not all Armenian girls are like this and i talked about the ones who were.

Maybe it's just me but I've felt a lot of emphasis being placed on our girls for some reason and I couldn't and still can't understand why. I asked a simple question and no one said anything. Are we talking about Armenian girls in the US and/or Europe ... or the majority of Armenian girls/women around the world? This thread by itself didn't make much sense from the beginning, to be frank!

And by the way, many girls talked, some simply ignored them...

Sexuality is a difficult subject to discuss with your child but it has a extra taboo to it in MOST Armenian families especially when it comes to daughters.

How do you know??? I agree, there are families where sex is sorta embarrassing to talk about (there's nothing abnormal in that) but the majority of girls here know more about sex then you think. Most of the girls in the US or Europe can't even be compared to them! They have no boundaries and don't know what they're doing at all. You think someone gave them "sex classes" or "charm classes"? Whoever gave them did a bad job otherwise we wouldn't see ten year olds getting it on. Our girls got style, class, and everything anyone would want in a girl, brother, so let's not be dissing them in subtle ways. End of discussion.

Who should be the man that deserves to be a country’s president? The one who is able to do all things listed above and, in addition, in most difficult situations, when enforced by the mighty to say, to do something that violates the Armenian interests or core values; resolutely abstaining from the final answer/settlement indefinitely. Or until it is agreed with most of influential politicians who truly are representing majority of Armenian nation here in Armenia and abroad.

What does this have to do with this thread?!?!?

The ones who are able to pronounce a resolute no, each time, when an offer/action violates her core values, self esteem, personal or other settled plans, actions.

And where do you get your views from??? A resolute no, each time? What girls have you met, yekhpayr?

Are Armenian women a bit more spoiled than some other cultures.... yes. Do they see themselves a little higher up on the human food chain.... yes. This has little to do with our traditional upbringing and a lot to do with our modern world of haves and have nots.

But still, I wouldn't say the majority of Armenian girls are this way! And even if they were (and that's a very big IF) I'd rather live with them then the spoiled American female populace. Mihat hai akhjik chei pokhi nurants SAGHI het. Mi hat!

America hasn't seen Armenian fundamentalism yet.

They haven't seen a lot of things, not just fundamentalism...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

But still, I wouldn't say the majority of Armenian girls are this way! And even if they were (and that's a very big IF) I'd rather live with them then the spoiled American female populace. Mihat hai akhjik chei pokhi nurants SAGHI het. Mi hat!

Saco, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Let's face it, if you're Armenian, you're already rare to begin with... like vosghee. Shouldn't our men be holding our women to a higher standard and vice versa? Isn't our survival dependent on helping each other out as a community and not constantly putting each other down and competing with each other? Our only enemy is assimilation.

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Saco, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Let's face it, if you're Armenian, you're already rare to begin with... like vosghee. Shouldn't our men be holding our women to a higher standard and vice versa? Isn't our survival dependent on helping each other out as a community and not constantly putting each other down and competing with each other? Our only enemy is assimilation.

Couldn't have said it better. Absolutely. I'm not saying our girls don't have problems but who doesn't, dude? When push comes to pull though, our girls are REAL women and stand by our sides IF we give them love, care, support, and the most important things that any women wants ... first and foremost. Just today, I was walking down the center of Yerevan and I was thinking about what we're talking about in this thread and I couldn't help but laugh. I saw so many girls walking down the street and the bottom line is ladies and gentleman...

...Our girls are simply gorgeous, charming, and sexy as HELL ... I always see them smiling, joking and laughing ... they show tremendous respect to their families ... they have a taste for fashion I haven't seen in almost any country ... they are great wives, great mothers, and great partners that STAND by your side and I think we should show them the respect they deserve. How do you think the majority of Armenian girls can be this way if they were "improperly raised"?!?

Menk dzez shat enk sirum akhchkek yev hpartanum enk dzeznov. I rest my case!

[Haykakan]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Couldn't have said it better. Absolutely. I'm not saying our girls don't have problems but who doesn't, dude? When push comes to pull though, our girls are REAL women and stand by our sides IF we give them love, care, support, and the most important things that any women wants ... first and foremost. Just today, I was walking down the center of Yerevan and I was thinking about what we're talking about in this thread and I couldn't help but laugh. I saw so many girls walking down the street and the bottom line is ladies and gentleman...

...Our girls are simply gorgeous, charming, and sexy as HELL ... I always see them smiling, joking and laughing ... they show tremendous respect to their families ... they have a taste for fashion I haven't seen in almost any country ... they are great wives, great mothers, and great partners that STAND by your side and I think we should show them the respect they deserve. How do you think the majority of Armenian girls can be this way if they were "improperly raised"?!?

Menk dzez shat enk sirum akhchkek yev hpartanum enk dzeznov. I rest my case!

Sasco jan du migitch shat aghjkeki vor mtar. No one is saying Armenian women are incapable of these things but obviously the fact that this thread exists and was started by a woman indicates that there is a issue to discuss.No one here is making up issues or problems that don't exist and it is good that we discuss them.

[Kiffer]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I reply to all of you:
I’ll give you an example of « old mind ». When my father arrived alone in France, he was 22 years old. Soon later, he wrote a letter to his mother who was still in Constantinople, that he had met a French woman and wanted to marry her. I found the reply of her mother, written in armenian. She wrote « I don’t want you to marry a French woman, you must marry an Armenian, from Adabazar.
I have a school friend who lives in Marsilia, she has a daughter 21 years old, you go and ask her parents to marry her ». So, my father who was working in Paris, went to Marseille, found the family
Yeramian at the address that his mother had written to him, he told his story, and asked to see their
daughter. She was at work. Her brother brought her at home. She knew Hrant,they had been at the
same nursery school, but she told her father she did not want to marry, she wanted to be a nun. Her father said : you are our only girl, you have to get married. Then they spent the day telling their exile story, he played violin, and both accepted to be nchanvadz. Next day he returned to Paris,
to his work. Two months later, my grand-mother Aroussiag came to Paris to bring her daughter.
They get married in the Apostolic church, my father had a friend Azad Tarpinian who became their
‘gnkahayr’. Then my mother had to work, because they need money, they had nothing. Later, my grandmother and grand father and uncle, came live to Paris too. When I was born, my mother did not work any more outside. My father was very authoritarian, he demanded his children to speak only Armenian at home, he forbid my mother to speak one turkish word. I learnt French at school. We were not allowed to talk French at home.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I reply to all of you:
I’ll give you an example of « old mind ». When my father arrived alone in France, he was 22 years old. Soon later, he wrote a letter to his mother who was still in Constantinople, that he had met a French woman and wanted to marry her. I found the reply of her mother, written in armenian. She wrote « I don’t want you to marry a French woman, you must marry an Armenian, from Adabazar.
I have a school friend who lives in Marsilia, she has a daughter 21 years old, you go and ask her parents to marry her ». So, my father who was working in Paris, went to Marseille, found the family
Yeramian at the address that his mother had written to him, he told his story, and asked to see their
daughter. She was at work. Her brother brought her at home. She knew Hrant,they had been at the
same nursery school, but she told her father she did not want to marry, she wanted to be a nun. Her father said : you are our only girl, you have to get married. Then they spent the day telling their exile story, he played violin, and both accepted to be nchanvadz. Next day he returned to Paris,
to his work. Two months later, my grand-mother Aroussiag came to Paris to bring her daughter.
They get married in the Apostolic church, my father had a friend Azad Tarpinian who became their
‘gnkahayr’. Then my mother had to work, because they need money, they had nothing. Later, my grandmother and grand father and uncle, came live to Paris too. When I was born, my mother did not work any more outside. My father was very authoritarian, he demanded his children to speak only Armenian at home, he forbid my mother to speak one turkish word. I learnt French at school. We were not allowed to talk French at home.

I'm confused, are you French or Armenian? Apparently giving up, admitting defeat and allowing yourself to be absorbed by the same powers that caused the demise of our people is "old minded".

[Haykakan]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I reply to all of you:
I’ll give you an example of « old mind ». When my father arrived alone in France, he was 22 years old. Soon later, he wrote a letter to his mother who was still in Constantinople, that he had met a French woman and wanted to marry her. I found the reply of her mother, written in armenian. She wrote « I don’t want you to marry a French woman, you must marry an Armenian, from Adabazar.
I have a school friend who lives in Marsilia, she has a daughter 21 years old, you go and ask her parents to marry her ». So, my father who was working in Paris, went to Marseille, found the family
Yeramian at the address that his mother had written to him, he told his story, and asked to see their
daughter. She was at work. Her brother brought her at home. She knew Hrant,they had been at the
same nursery school, but she told her father she did not want to marry, she wanted to be a nun. Her father said : you are our only girl, you have to get married. Then they spent the day telling their exile story, he played violin, and both accepted to be nchanvadz. Next day he returned to Paris,
to his work. Two months later, my grand-mother Aroussiag came to Paris to bring her daughter.
They get married in the Apostolic church, my father had a friend Azad Tarpinian who became their
‘gnkahayr’. Then my mother had to work, because they need money, they had nothing. Later, my grandmother and grand father and uncle, came live to Paris too. When I was born, my mother did not work any more outside. My father was very authoritarian, he demanded his children to speak only Armenian at home, he forbid my mother to speak one turkish word. I learnt French at school. We were not allowed to talk French at home.

My father also required we speak only armenian at home. As my sister and i grew older he relaxed that rule. I will suggest you ignore kanadahye, i don't think he puts much effort into being coherent or understandable but sometimes he will surprise you.I think a appropriate questions to ask you is how do you feel your parents' upbringing of you has effected your sexuality(ability to charm...).No need to be shy about it since we don't know who you really are(not that it should matter anyways) and afterall that is what this thread is about.

[Kattie]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I reply to all of you:
I’ll give you an example of « old mind ». When my father arrived alone in France, he was 22 years old. Soon later, he wrote a letter to his mother who was still in Constantinople, that he had met a French woman and wanted to marry her. I found the reply of her mother, written in armenian. She wrote « I don’t want you to marry a French woman, you must marry an Armenian, from Adabazar.
I have a school friend who lives in Marsilia, she has a daughter 21 years old, you go and ask her parents to marry her ». So, my father who was working in Paris, went to Marseille, found the family
Yeramian at the address that his mother had written to him, he told his story, and asked to see their
daughter. She was at work. Her brother brought her at home. She knew Hrant,they had been at the
same nursery school, but she told her father she did not want to marry, she wanted to be a nun. Her father said : you are our only girl, you have to get married. Then they spent the day telling their exile story, he played violin, and both accepted to be nchanvadz. Next day he returned to Paris,
to his work. Two months later, my grand-mother Aroussiag came to Paris to bring her daughter.
They get married in the Apostolic church, my father had a friend Azad Tarpinian who became their
‘gnkahayr’. Then my mother had to work, because they need money, they had nothing. Later, my grandmother and grand father and uncle, came live to Paris too. When I was born, my mother did not work any more outside. My father was very authoritarian, he demanded his children to speak only Armenian at home, he forbid my mother to speak one turkish word. I learnt French at school. We were not allowed to talk French at home.

Kiffer,
Thanks! That's another good example, and I'm surprised that you had to clarify the meaning of "old mind". I believe that it's "hin kloukh" in Armenian.

I'm confused, are you French or Armenian? .

I can't believe my eyes!!!!! You couldn't figure out whether she's French or Armenian? I don't mean to disrespect, but how confused or unintuitive are you? Did you read her posts?