Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Gegev and Mos, why don't you two just be honest with everyone and convert to Islam? You are obviously ideologically already 99% of the way there - just take that final little step and join the ranks of the turbaned fanatics who share your world view.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

The whole goal of Feminism has been the removal of women from traditional gender roles, which has been viewed as "oppressive" and "unequal". I think this is pretty obvious. Of course, over time that Feminism has developed into something worse and into something dangerous for conservative cultures that still revolve around the family unit. If you have a movement that advocates this for women, how can you expect your traditional family unit to be maintained?

I know also Feminism attempts to create this equality between men and women, but the reality is men and women are fundamentally different, in their biology, psychology, etc. So men and women can never be "equal", though of course both are equal citizens in the eyes of the law.

You will notice that in many women in the West a certain innocence has been lost in women, modesty in both behaviour and dress, the dedication to family and family values. Compare such Western women to let's say Muslim women and the difference is rather clear. Of course not all Western women are like this, but a great deal.

This is not say such women should be educated, given opportunity in workforce, etc.

The goal has not been to change the gender roles or to pretend that men and women are identical. We aren't, but just because we do have some differences doesn't mean we should be treated differently. There are lots of feminists who disagree as to whether we should have equal outcomes or equal opportunity. This is a debate I've been caught up in in a different circle recently. So, I really don't know how it is that you can claim unequivocally that "the goal of feminism is _________" when there's not agreement among self-identified feminists.

What you fail to see is that the reason why men and women must be treated as equal citizens and given equal job opportunity TODAY is precisely because of the feminists who fought for that. We didn't used to enjoy even that much. Yet, you still present feminism as a negative. Those very beliefs which you stated are feminist ideals. Don't let people who hold extreme positions build strawmen for you. What you have undoubtedly seen and find so disagreeable are almost certainly strawmen of "the feminist position" (of itself absurd because there isn't one position).

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You probably didn't hear about homosexuals.

Homosexuals wouldn't be gay if the men became women prior to engaging in romantic relations with men and vice-versa. Try again.

For instance abortion ... goes against nature.

Some creatures couldn't reproduce themselves and are extinguished, as the red book says.

I don't think you're following the reasoning. We live in the natural world and are natural beings. Nothing we do is unnatural because by virtue of the very fact that we are doing it, it is natural. So, this "goes against nature" doesn't hold.
If some creatures can't reproduce and are thus extinguished, then isn't it pointless to worry about homosexuality? If it is "unnatural" and unsustainable as you wish to claim, then it will take care of itself, no?

[gegev]

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How are women being men and vice-versa? I presume you don't mean that they are changing their sex chromosomes, so please explain what you mean.

You probably didn't hear about homosexuals.

And how prey-tell can creatures living in the natural world, ever be going "against nature"? It's a logical impossibility. The fact that it occurs at all disproves your claim that it's against nature. "Res ipsa loquitur."

For instance abortion ... goes against nature.

Some creatures couldn't reproduce themselves and are extinguished, as the red book says.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

For starters, let's try evidence of a breakdown of family and then evidence that said breakdown was caused by "female emancipation." That should keep you busy until the foreseeable future as there is no evidence that "female emancipation" has caused any breakdown.

And your "goals of feminism" are laughable. You're simply parroting what some privileged, undoubtedly male, imbeciles told you. If you want to know about the goals of feminists, go ask your mother and grandmothers.

The whole goal of Feminism has been the removal of women from traditional gender roles, which has been viewed as "oppressive" and "unequal". I think this is pretty obvious. Of course, over time that Feminism has developed into something worse and into something dangerous for conservative cultures that still revolve around the family unit. If you have a movement that advocates this for women, how can you expect your traditional family unit to be maintained?

I know also Feminism attempts to create this equality between men and women, but the reality is men and women are fundamentally different, in their biology, psychology, etc. So men and women can never be "equal", though of course both are equal citizens in the eyes of the law.

You will notice that in many women in the West a certain innocence has been lost in women, modesty in both behaviour and dress, the dedication to family and family values. Compare such Western women to let's say Muslim women and the difference is rather clear. Of course not all Western women are like this, but a great deal.

This is not say such women should be educated, given opportunity in workforce, etc.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I find it very interesting that science and technology have had such a big impact on the role of women in our society. What drove women to join the workforce was not femminism nor change in family values- it was the inventions of washer, dried, refrigerator.. Once these time saving new machines became cheaply available it started to make economic sense for women to join the workforce because the daily chores no longer cost more then what she could make at work. The changing role of a woman in modern society is simply a reaction to the changes in our environment. It is wrong to hold people back from developing (including women). Women still want a man and they still want children and family but they do have more options today then they have ever had before and juggling these options is not easy. Instead of limiting options men need to participate by helping a woman manage these options. For those looking to make a family unite these options need to be discussed by both the male and the female so both understands what is expected from the other. The changes are a natural part of evolution and as usual those who evolve best to these changes will succeed while others will fail. Placing limitations on people should be done to avoid them hurting others or themselves and the evolution of the woman in our society does not have to hurt anyone. Women are not the same as men but that does not mean that they only belong in the home.

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

I edited the post. Read please.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

This is the fate of all creatures that go against nature. Women should be women and men should be men.

The cause isn’t poverty or lack of ”democracy”. It is the ideology that their women are fed up.

How are women being men and vice-versa? I presume you don't mean that they are changing their sex chromosomes, so please explain what you mean.

And how prey-tell can creatures living in the natural world, ever be going "against nature"? It's a logical impossibility. The fact that it occurs at all disproves your claim that it's against nature. "Res ipsa loquitur."

[gegev]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Why the developed countries are facing demographic crisis?

Alas their culture and indigenous population soon will be eradicated out of earth and the area will be populated by immigrants of other nationalities with strong family values that preach healthy/natural women ideologies.

The reason isn't poverty or lack of "democracy".

West is on the way of carrying out suicide if the current feminist ideologies are not changed soon.

Everything unnatural goes down in nature! Unnatural things/creatures can't reproduce themselves.

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

What kind of evidence would you want? Just take a look at Western European society now and compare it several decades before. You can even see similar changes with Armenia in one decade. Take a look at the status of the family unit in the West, the view towards women, and so forth. You can see clearly the effects of these Western liberal ideals. As for people thinking similarly, I urge you to view the counter protest by Armenian patriots against a "diversity march" that took place in the summer, and what some of those patriots were saying. They have similar concerns like I have voiced here.

For starters, let's try evidence of a breakdown of family and then evidence that said breakdown was caused by "female emancipation." That should keep you busy until the foreseeable future as there is no evidence that "female emancipation" has caused any breakdown.

And your "goals of feminism" are laughable. You're simply parroting what some privileged, undoubtedly male, imbeciles told you. If you want to know about the goals of feminists, go ask your mother and grandmothers.