"White People"

[winoman]

The answer is environment and adapting to it - pure and simple. (both for physical and cultural developments). No one will argue against the fact that different groups of people exhibit different physical and genetic characteristics. What is at issue is how these are manifested accross populations - and how then can people be logically binned. Weel the traditional racial differentiations just don't cut it - pure and simple. While all kinds of subgroupings and such can be made - they exhibit themselves accross populations in different manners that do not confrom to commonly held racial divisions. Thus Armenians - a supposed Caucasoid people - have genetic features and genetic predispositions to certain disease vectors and such (such as Thallasemia - Mediterranean Anemia) and so on and so forth.

[Anonymouse]

The answer is environment and adapting to it - pure and simple. (both for physical and cultural developments). No one will argue against the fact that different groups of people exhibit different physical and genetic characteristics. What is at issue is how these are manifested accross populations - and how then can people be logically binned. Weel the traditional racial differentiations just don't cut it - pure and simple. While all kinds of subgroupings and such can be made - they exhibit themselves accross populations in different manners that do not confrom to commonly held racial divisions. Thus Armenians - a supposed Caucasoid people - have genetic features and genetic predispositions to certain disease vectors and such (such as Thallasemia - Mediterranean Anemia) and so on and so forth.

Making oneself pretend there are no differences, doesn't change the fact that there are differences, no matter where you attribute those differences.

And again, if the cold north gave Caucasoids their distinct features, how come the same cold north further east gave Mongoloids their distinct features?

And law enforcement investigators will differ as to race, since they use DNA testing on a regular basis which identifies the race of a suspect or victim.

[TJ]

I say drop the whole race issue, this issue is far more complicated than you can convince Winoman to believe and we won't change his beliefs through an internet forum but only he can, and I am surprised at where he stands on this, being that he claims he is an intelligent person.

Now that we have setteled as i predicted that you are Bolsahye, I will stop this discussion here, Bolsahyes as I see it are quite ridiculous, the culture you have and pursue is not much else besides Turkish, you know this quite well but seem to hope that there is still some similarity to true Armeinan culture.

I will tell you this, you do not possess the ability to argue with me on the cultural and racial makeup of Armenians as a whole seeing as you are a heavily turkish influenced "Armeinan." Before you go and spend some time in Armenia and aquaint yourself with our true culture don't come back here and talk.

And simply the fact that you mentioned we are related to Kurds is beyond me, i dont understand why i even lend any credance to your arguments. Saying we have Persian influence is understandable as our Kingdom dynasties have been closely link throughout the years, not any more than with those of the Romans or Byzantines, but sitll, ill let that go, but Kurds? are you out of your mind.

Go educate youself before you come back here and blabber nonsense out of your mouth and make the rest of us look bad.

[hyebruin]

i thought this might be relevant and quite interesting!


Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination
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Grigor Hakobyan::Saturday March 1, 2003 05:07PM
When the Nazis came to power in 1933, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, various cultural minorities were targeted for persecution and harassment. One of these minorities was the Armenians.
The Turkish government of that time took an opportunity to launch a propaganda campaign against Armenians living in Germany and the rest of Europe, where they claimed that Armenians were Semite and no different from gypsies. They encouraged the persecution of Armenians by planting falsified information on Armenian history, culture and its origins.

The times were severe for Armenians of Europe, and particularly of Germany, where a second Genocide seemed to be on the horizon. To counter the anti-Armenian propaganda in Germany, the Armenian community in Potsdam, Germany published an academic book on Armenian studies called Armeniertum-Arivertum, meaning Armenism-Aryanism. Three thousand copies were printed under the leadership of Artashes Abeghyan in cooperation with German Armenologists Yohannes Lepsus and Paul Rohrbakh.

Many German Orientologists like Hans Haynrikh Sheder, Yohannes Fon Lears, Karl Rot, Rev. Gerhard Klinge, and Evar Shteer, took part in this project by submitting their academic findings about the Indo-European origins of Armenians and their Aryan linguistic identity in this book.

The book was republished in 1942-1943 in Shtugart, when the Turkish propaganda reemerged in the German press. Around the same time, Armenologist Hyek Asatrian, in cooperation with Armenian military General Garegin Njdeh, published a book called Armenia-the Cradle of Aryans in Asia.

After those publications, the German Interior Ministry issued a document recognizing Armenians as an Aryan nation. Thanks to the academics and active participation of Armenian community in Germany, the threat of a genocide of Armenians in Europe vanished.

Source: Armenism-Aryanism, Armenian reprint by Uri Xachatryan, Aram Aleksanyan and Alina Sonoyan, Yerevan, 2001.
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here's the link:

http://www.usanogh.com/articles/article.php?story_id=155&author_id=20

[Anonymouse]

i thought this might be relevant and quite interesting!


Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination
Topics

Grigor Hakobyan::Saturday March 1, 2003 05:07PM
When the Nazis came to power in 1933, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, various cultural minorities were targeted for persecution and harassment. One of these minorities was the Armenians.
The Turkish government of that time took an opportunity to launch a propaganda campaign against Armenians living in Germany and the rest of Europe, where they claimed that Armenians were Semite and no different from gypsies. They encouraged the persecution of Armenians by planting falsified information on Armenian history, culture and its origins.

The times were severe for Armenians of Europe, and particularly of Germany, where a second Genocide seemed to be on the horizon. To counter the anti-Armenian propaganda in Germany, the Armenian community in Potsdam, Germany published an academic book on Armenian studies called Armeniertum-Arivertum, meaning Armenism-Aryanism. Three thousand copies were printed under the leadership of Artashes Abeghyan in cooperation with German Armenologists Yohannes Lepsus and Paul Rohrbakh.

Many German Orientologists like Hans Haynrikh Sheder, Yohannes Fon Lears, Karl Rot, Rev. Gerhard Klinge, and Evar Shteer, took part in this project by submitting their academic findings about the Indo-European origins of Armenians and their Aryan linguistic identity in this book.

The book was republished in 1942-1943 in Shtugart, when the Turkish propaganda reemerged in the German press. Around the same time, Armenologist Hyek Asatrian, in cooperation with Armenian military General Garegin Njdeh, published a book called Armenia-the Cradle of Aryans in Asia.

After those publications, the German Interior Ministry issued a document recognizing Armenians as an Aryan nation. Thanks to the academics and active participation of Armenian community in Germany, the threat of a genocide of Armenians in Europe vanished.

Source: Armenism-Aryanism, Armenian reprint by Uri Xachatryan, Aram Aleksanyan and Alina Sonoyan, Yerevan, 2001.
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here's the link:
http://www.usanogh.com/articles/arti...5&author_id=20

Thank you for the link although I have known this for sometime.

[ArmoBarbi]

Good job, girlie! Armenologist - Ive been looking for a proper name for a scholar of Armenian studies. Im going to be an Armenologist! I love it!

Also the other info was good hehehe

[winoman]

Yes something to be proud of....for some people...yeah Hitler loved us! yippee!

[loseyourname]

Wow. I'm amazed that you guys care so much about this. If it were discovered in the next 20 years that Armenians were of a non-Caucasian background, would you suddenly cease to be proud of your culture? Who the hell cares? Achieve something your damn self to be proud of, regardless of what you call yourself and what color your eyes are.

For the record, Mousy, I'd say you look halfway between Spanish and Moroccan. Whatever difference that makes.

[Anonymouse]

For the record, Mousy, I'd say you look halfway between Spanish and Moroccan. Whatever difference that makes.

Really? That's a first. I've been told Italian, French, hell, even Armenian, but never Moroccan.

And I will of course disagree.

[thedebutante]

Really? That's a first. I've been told Italian, French, hell, even Armenian, but never Moroccan.

And I will of course disagree.

Mouse, now that loser enlightened me, I think that you look black. What do you know, Armenians must not be white after all. Eh, you learn something new everyday.