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  • #31
    Re: Armenian surnames?

    Originally posted by sev__zeytun View Post
    dani: I am a girl, not a guy. it's cool that you know the meanings of these words and thanks for the input. Many of my families, before the genocide, were rich and they worked a lot with Turkish people and their business. One of my families actually lived in Istanbul (had a huge home there but it is not ours anymore because we are not allowed to reclaim it anymore) and the only reason why my great grandfather survived during the genocide was because he was studying abroad in Italy. But I think, for the most part, my family came from Yerevan (so far that's as far back as I can go/recall). My grandmother is from Damascus, Syria.
    glad to help....and tx for the info

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    • #32
      Re: Armenian surnames?

      Originally posted by sergeyisanov View Post
      Lucin, someone, especially an Armenian whose mother tongue is almost 20-25% Turkish (believe it or not, it is a fact!)
      It is not a fact. You will not find an Armenian dictionary that has 25% of its words of Turkish origin. If you go to a village in Armenia near the Turkish border and they colloquially use some Turkish (just how the village Turks have various Armenian loanwords in their language) then that is okay.

      In fact it could be that Russian has more words of Turkic origin than Armenian, since they have always been imperialists (even during the Soviet period) and interacted with the various peoples they conquered and were originally conquered by (Mongols, Tatars).

      Yes, it is ridiculous to say that Turkish is a melange of Arabic and Persian, but most of their loanwords do come from those languages.

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      • #33
        Re: Armenian surnames?

        Originally posted by sergeyisanov View Post
        But I cannot say I feel close affinity to Armenian culture.
        Then why are you here?

        You are better off posting on a Turkish forum, since you seem to know more about their "kultur."

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        • #34
          Re: Armenian surnames?

          Originally posted by sev__zeytun View Post
          Um...it's Kuredjian. They are all family names that have been passed down. I came from multiple branches of wealthy families (they intermarried with other rich families as well)(before the genocide) and I wanted to know if, even without a need to "connect" with the Turkish for business or friendship at the time, some Armenians would change their surnames. Everytime I search for the meaning of my surnames I am never able to find out what they mean so I thought that maybe they had a Turkish element (might explain why it's so hard for me to find out).

          I don't even know if there is any real connection between wealth and surnames (or changing them) but I want to find out. Kuredjian was the only surname that did not come from a rich branch of people.

          Kuredjian = Քուրէջյան
          (To repeat and summarize) A certain number of Armenian family names are of the form: <noun>jian or <noun>jiyan.
          1- The "ian" or "yan" ending indicates - at least, most of the time - their Armenian background
          2- The "ji" seem to be the genitive particle found in Uralo-Altaic languages
          3- The <noun> is usually a *urkish word - whether it is a word borrowed to the Farsi/Arabic/... or not.

          Considering the painfully eventful history of our ancestors, the following should be considered when deciphering the meaning of the noun
          1- Transformations due to transliterations i.e. English, French, Russian, Arabic etc. For instance, "kuredj" can be - or not - a transformation of "kiredj" - that means, I believe, chalk. The "dj" may also be part of the noun like in "Haladjian."
          2- Differences in Armenian dialects
          3- Origin of the word
          4- Typos
          5- etc.



          Originally posted by sev__zeytun View Post
          OK. so I went to http://www.feefhs.org/am/am-sur.html to look at armenian surnames and the only one not there out of the four is Kuredjian. The rest are all in the list. So, what's up with Kuredjian? What does it mean? (I could use some help from anyone, both Turkish and Armenian. Please help.)(I asked my dad a few months ago and he has no idea.)
          I have found "Kurajian" and "Kurjian" that may - or may not - be transformations.
          Also, I have googled "Kuredjian," "Kurejian" "Kouredjian," "Kourejian" etc. and got many hits.




          Originally posted by sev__zeytun View Post
          . but my grandmother was super rich and her last name was Terminasyan (I'm guessing that means we had some priests in the family)(obviously 100% armenian surname).
          Why do you think that you "had some priests in the family?" "Ter" may also indicate a form of nobility.
          By the way, are you related to the Terminassians in Paris - the family of Zoravar Terminassian???



          Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations
          Last edited by Siamanto; 04-17-2007, 05:11 PM.
          What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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          • #35
            Re: Armenian surnames?

            Originally posted by dani87 View Post
            well i know kure and ketche is kurdish words it means boy and girl....wonder where his family is from


            and küre in turkish means globe...which would make küreci/küredji one who makes globes....

            and boya is color....maybe it's from fahrsi...i don't know

            Thanks for the clarification. Really instructive - at least, for me - and useful.

            1- If "kure" and "ketche" exist in Kurdish, isn't it likely that they may also exist in Farsi???
            2- I just googled and it seems that "kurra" means globe in Arabic. (Unfortunately in French http://salafidunord.over-blog.com/5-...e-1099268.html )
            By the way, how about the verb "krral" in Armenian???
            What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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            • #36
              Re: Armenian surnames?

              Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
              Why do you think that you "had some priests in the family?" "Ter" may also indicate a form of nobility.
              By the way, are you related to the Terminassians in Paris - the family of Zoravar Terminassian???
              Well, to tell you the truth, I thought of ter as in terter (my grandmother brought it up and that's about it). As for the Terminassians, I would never really know. My great grandfather was the only immediate family that survived(as in siblings and parents) but they may have been relatives or something. Honestly, I have no way of knowing. I even asked my grandparents and they have no clue and my great grandfather has already passed away.

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              • #37
                Re: Armenian surnames?

                Originally posted by sergeyisanov

                LOL, oh really? Can you teach me a few Farsi words (or Arabic)? Please, just one word…
                Your fragile ego has been challenged?



                Originally posted by sergeyisanov
                With the same logic, some others may also claim, for example, that Armenian is a melange of Turkish and Farsi or Russian...
                Would you care to show us how 20-25% of Armenian is *urkish? It is true that in some communities Armenians use some *urkish words but, with few exceptions, the Armenian equivalents exist and those words are not part of the Armenian Language ; while in the case of *urkish, the Farsi and/or Arabic words are part of the *urkish Language.






                Originally posted by sergeyisanov
                I know Farsi, Arabic and Turkish better than you guess. I studied them and still studying. If you wish me to translate something into Farsi, please write down, I will do my best to help you.
                Lucin may not challenge you, but I do. Why? Because, based on your previous posts, I will have to assume that your understanding of Farsi and Arabic is at best mediocre.

                Furthermore, you have limited yourself to simple unsubstantiated statements - i.e. with no explanations, examples or data . Credits are not earned during registration; credits are earned after many tests, challenges and participation...credits are earned, not self granted and you're still far, far away from being considered credible.
                How about showing us what you know instead of pretending it???






                Originally posted by sergeyisanov
                Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
                sergeyivanov,
                Are you also interested in how *urks use Armenian aliases....such as "garod?"
                Siamanto, excuse me but, it is nonsense to be a paranoid and search a Turk behind every nickname.

                I repeat once more, for the time being I am living in Turkey. And I don't care whether you will think that I am also a Turk or not. Despite my Armenian connection, I don't think that to be a Turk is not something bad.
                "Experience" is the word, not "paranoia." In any case, would you care participating with substance to the discussion, instead of limiting yourself to blah-blah-blah?

                "Kogh sird@ togh," we say in Armenian. It seems to apply in your case??? Why are you so paranoid...enough to fail to see the humor and irony of the situation???






                Originally posted by sergeyisanov
                I repeat once more, for the time being I am living in Turkey. And I don't care whether you will think that I am also a Turk or not. Despite my Armenian connection, I don't think that to be a Turk is not something bad.
                You can repeat it ad infinitum, if that pleases you; however, one does not earn credit during registration; credits are earned after many tests, challenges and participation.
                Being Armenian is NOT a statement, you'll have to earn it.

                So far, your participation has been limited to unsubstantiated pretenses.






                Originally posted by sergeyisanov
                A racist attitude would not help the Armenian cause, but rather harm it!
                Amen! Just curious, do you have anything of substance to add to the thread???

                Please relax and get hold of your emotional self...so upset that you can't properly reply or cut and paste - i.e. your tags are all messed up????



                P.S. Congratulations, today, you've done your best to discredit yourself!!! More I read you, more I think that you're a fake???

                Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations
                Last edited by Siamanto; 04-17-2007, 05:59 PM.
                What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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                • #38
                  Re: Armenian surnames?

                  Originally posted by dani87 View Post
                  well i know kure and ketche is kurdish words it means boy and girl....wonder where his family is from

                  Siamanto: don't you think that if someone addresses you with "he" or "his" that the person is suggesting you are a guy? Slow down on the reading, you skimmed a few things . Also, about the Kuredjian stuff. Um... I am guessing that the only things that you will really find are about Jack Kuredjian (the dead deputy)(that's all that I am able to find anyway).

                  BTW: Jack Kuredjian is my dads first cousin.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Armenian surnames?

                    Originally posted by sev__zeytun View Post
                    Siamanto: don't you think that if someone addresses you with "he" or "his" that the person is suggesting you are a guy?
                    LOL It's a mistake. In my reply to sergeyivanov, I have mistakenly attributed your post to sergeyivanov and confused myself. I will correct my reply to sergeyivanov.

                    Thanks for noticing it and I sincerely apologize for the confusion!

                    P.S. I will reply to the other part of the post later.
                    Last edited by Siamanto; 04-17-2007, 06:13 PM.
                    What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Armenian surnames?

                      Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
                      1- If "kure" and "ketche" exist in Kurdish, isn't it likely that they may also exist in Farsi???
                      Siamanto,
                      Kure (meaning boy) exists also in Persian (the pronunciation is: ‘korre’) and means ‘ձագ’ so it can also be applied to a boy with a pejorative meaning...



                      2- I just googled and it seems that "kurra" means globe in Arabic.
                      This one exists in Farsi as well and is pronounced as ‘kore’; and again you are right the same word exists in Arabic with a bit different pronunciation ‘korra’ which has become küre in Turkish (see why I say it is a deformed Persian/Arabic).

                      LOL...
                      Est-ce que la terre est ronde? Ben...Je ne sais pas...Il faut voir ce que Mahomet(Que les prières d’Allah et Son Salut soient sur Mohammed, ainsi que sur ses proches, et tous ses Compagnons !) pense...
                      Last edited by Lucin; 04-18-2007, 08:11 AM.

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