Turkey's challenge to the Armenians

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[TurQ]

I think it was Dadrian's book.

Refering to Said Halim's words during a parlimentary discussion "We agreed on deportations not the massacres" accusing the CUP. Again this is from Armenian resources, I cant confirm it. But you can check this out from Dadrian.

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As for Said Halim, he was indeed a high graded official, he was the foreign minister and the Grand Vizier, but first, he wasn't opposing to the massacres, he was just admitting it. He only opposed it in Febuary 1917, when there was pratically no Armenians left on the East. When he opposed them, saying how orders for deportations were transformed into orders to kill the deportees, Talaat relieved him from his job, and replaced him.

As for genocide applying to CUP and not Ottoman..., yes and no. I'd term this as a genocide perpetrated by Ittihadist Ottoman.

BTW Turanist, go get yourself ubducted by an alien.

[1.5 million]

I think it was Dadrian's book.

Refering to Said Halim's words during a parlimentary discussion "We agreed on deportations not the massacres" accusing the CUP. Again this is from Armenian resources, I cant confirm it. But you can check this out from Dadrian.

You will need to be more clear on the point you are trying to make here. Is it that some CUP members (and others - such as Parlimaentarians...who were disbanded BTW - specifically so they could not overule the CUPs directives...) were perhaps fooled into agreeing to measures that were more severe then thye had been led to believe. OK - (and this quote is familiar BTW) - but this proves (strongly suggests) that the CUP Central Commmitee members did indeed have plans behind the plans and that they did intend to exterminate the Armenians (as French And Italian operatives reporting on CUP commitee meetings in 1910 and 1911 report was very specifically debated. This and more...

[maral_m79]

Arab suck up to Britain so Britain make Saud family have country. dont you know Saudi Arabia. it is given to them.

Let me remind you that Fadix was talking about Sharief Ali Bin AL Housain , Prince of Mecca, who was from the Hashimi Family, who was a decendant of Mouhamed Prophet of Islam .... Who Had NOT REALTIONS what so ever with today's Sudi family Al Saud.

[maral_m79]

but that was at time when Arabs want independence from Ottomans.

So ??

You are accusing the Sharief of Mecca, Descendant of Mouhamed of being a Liar ? Just simply because he was asking for his people's natural and moral right of independance !!!

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So ??

You are accusing the Sharief of Mecca, Descendant of Mouhamed of being a Liar ? Just simply because he was asking for his people's natural and moral right of independance !!!

Of course any who question Turkey's innocence and purity of motives and actions in all things is a liar. In fact within Turkey they have laws disallowing any suggestion of such a thing...so naturally this is how they think and why they are so incapable of any real perspective on any of these issues - past or present - and why they are so ignorant yet so fanatically loyal to the end in terms of justifying anything ever done by their state or its predecessors. Turanist and others have clearly stated this - that they will accept absolutly no critiscim of Turkey and no judgement against Turkey and thus anything that even remotly suggest such a thing wil be attacked and claimed to be untrue - regardless of any evidence to the contrary - this is what we are dealing with - brainwashed grey wolf fanatics....

[Hovik]

Turanist, the purpose of this forum is for individuals to further their knowledge about the Armenian Genocide, not to pretend as if the fact of the event is a topic of debate.

Do you accept the reality of the Armenian Genocide?

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Well I guess you are not concerned that Turkey has basically turned Northern Cyprus into one big slum..but thats OK eh? Anyway I wish them well - all Cypriots - who are basically good people. All of this politics is just BS - from all sides - and I hate to see how the people there have been victimized mostly by outside influences.

[Kharpert]

isnt USA helping grey wolves in Iran!?

I'm curious to know where you got that piece of information.

Even if the USA is helping the grey wolves in Iran, it's only to undermine the fundamentalist government of Iran. Really, the USA doesn't care about Turkey. At all.

[Hovik]

Turanist, the purpose of this forum is for individuals to further their knowledge about the Armenian Genocide, not to pretend as if the fact of the event is a topic of debate.

Do you accept the reality of the Armenian Genocide?

Turanist, you never answered my question... when you come back please do...