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  • #271
    I guess you mean communism is the reason of Armenia's present situation. You are probably right.... As Turkey and Isreal being not under the opression of communism, again you are right. But if you meant something else, I did not understand....

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    • #272
      McMas i dont think you understand, the genocide is gone now, the UN cant force Turkey to recognize the genocide. Turkey is in denial about half a dozen countries (including canada ) have recognized the genocide, by proof of our/thier own historians, but even shoving the information into the turks president and civilians they wont admit it, they will say the pics are from a diffrent war or have been altered by computer.

      They truly are in denial, the Gov't anyway, the people have been fed the lies by the government and therefore truley believe the genocide never happened even if the evidence is there they still rather belive there gov't. There are people from Turkey though that do agree with the armainian claims, most likley the info from desendants which regretted participating in the genocide and wish to redeem themselves or by Turks who were eye witnesses to the genocide and didnt agree with what there gov't did

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      • #273
        Race has nothing to do with it

        Originally posted by elendil
        Armenia is not taken seriously because it does not have or is not near to energy sources, not to mention weak economy, military.
        Answering another Turk who said no one takes Armenians seriously, I said that it's because of their superficial interests that today's "powerful" countries prefer to kneel in front of the stubborn Turks, who despite the fact that they wear suit and ties, still have the same Oghuzo-Turkmen mentality of forcing their will, and suck 'em up till all the Turkish delight in the world is sprayed all over their immoral faces, not knowing the real danger of the Turk which is the intolerance of the non-Turk and their subsequent annihilation through genocide and forced turkification.
        The evidence of all this is the present day Turkey and the mini Ottoman "empire", the artificially created "country" north of the Arax River, which used to be part of Armenian territory.

        Originally posted by elendil
        About Some Turks being racist in the forums, no doubt you may be right. But still if it would be fair to blame an entire nation for the act of an invididual that is writing in a forum, considering your attitude I could come up blaming entire Armenian nation being facists....
        I have already said a million times that racism is strictly a Western European phenomenon and it's the irrational hatred and disdain for people with darker hair/eye/skin color. Racism is none of our business. You are not a race. The hordes of Ural-Altaic, Oghuz-Turkmen, Mongolo-Tatar savage, barbaric, nomadic bandits who invaded this side of the Caspian and brought nothing other than death, destruction, rape, pillage and plunder to the ancient peoples of Iran, the Caucasus and Asia Minor, the cradle of Indo-European civilization, were of Central Asian origin as far as race is concerned.
        Their genes have diluted to an extent that very few Turks still manifest some of the features of their ancestors. However, the Turkish mentality has not changed an iota the last 960 years or so. I don't think that will change in the foreseeable future either. The ideas expressed by the majority of Turkish posters in forums testify to this.

        Originally posted by elendil
        As to invading your country, yes that is exactly what we did. Some 900 years ago. Take it back if you will....
        Risking repeating myself again I tell you, the moment the Turkish phallus slides out of the filthy mouths of the Zionist/Freemason money worshippers of this world, The United Kingdom of the Greatest Turk-Suckers at the head of the bunch, we will kick your Kipchak bottoms back to the steppes of Central Asia, the hell you come from and the hell you belong. (There you go, another generous smiley from my not so smiley-friendly hand!)

        Originally posted by elendil
        We have been waiting for this day for 500 hundered years. What nonsense....We can hardly support our population now and you are talking of invading Europe by massive numbers.
        That's why you want to invade Europe and destroy their civilization, what you just missed to manage some 500 years ago.
        The decadent West has lost the respect for true human values such as starting a family. Don't get me wrong, I'm not religious, I don't even believe in god. But the hyper-materialistic West is an easy prey for the invading descendants of Chingiz and Teimur, who will "marry" Western women and force them into their beliefs and will have them bring Turkish snakes to this world in the middle of Europe. In less than two centuries, the then Turkish Europeans will "prove" that they have been living there 90000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000 centuries before the Big Bang and that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Da Vinci, Shakespeare etc. were in fact Turks...

        Originally posted by elendil
        As to being midgets to Roman Empire that is nonsense again. Time, conditions and missions of these empires are completely different, comparing them in terms of power is stupid since they did not exist in the same period. (If we are not counting Byzantium ofcou
        rse)
        I don't really get your point. But since you bring the idea of "missions", it's evident that the mission of the Turk has been the destruction of the civilizations of the peoples they invaded and their subsequent assimilation or extermination, whereas the mission of the Roman Empire among other less positive aspects, was the spreading of civilization to most parts of the then barbarian northern Europe.
        Not existing in the same period is irrelevant. Still, the older the empire, the more its size gains importance, because in older times the means of communication among other factors, were less developed. The Ottoman "empire" was a midget compared to the Roman not only in terms of its size, but because of its total lack of any positive input in human advancement. In fact, to me at least, it's not the Armenian Genocide which is the greatest calamity brought by your kind to my entire nation, it's the stopping of our natural progress for a thousand years which is the great tragedy of the Armenians along with other nations suffering under your tyranny.
        Your total ignorance of the Armenian history will not allow you to see things the way they are. Since 405, when Mesrop Mashtots invented the Armenian present alphabet, the Armenians lived a period of unheard of development, even though Armenia had been torn in two some time ago in 387 by the Romans and the Persians.
        The period referred to as the Dark Ages by Europeans, was in fact an era when the Armenian culture flourished to an unprecedented degree. We call it the Golden Age of Armenia. It was shattered by your wild grandpaws who crushed my beautiful country under their filthy cloven hoofs. Still, Armenians that migrated to Cilicia and set up a kingdom there which lasted for some three centuries, managed to achieve a highly civilized society that traded with the civilized world of the day and had a fleet of a thousand merchant ships at some point of that period.

        Originally posted by elendil
        Being a Turk is speaking the same language, sharing the same bread and culture. That is what is a nation. Not a group of people geneticly matching, especially in middle-east where every nation is mixed. As to state of mind issue.... You are some racist guy really....
        I have already said what being a Turk is: Someone, regardless of their race, who speaks Turkish, is a Muslim and thinks like a Turk. In any case this does not amount to being part of a NATION.
        The idea of nationhood, mainly fueled by experiencing the "loss" of territory by the Ottomans through uprisings of the oppressed "subjects" of the tyranny and their liberation, and also influenced by European, mainly German ideas, dawned upon the Turks in about 1839. Do some research on Hatti Sherif and Mustafa Reshid pasha. Before that, the Ottomans considered other Turkic speaking peoples as inferior. Cosmos in this forum pointed out that there were mistreatment of other Turkic peoples as well during the Ottoman era.
        Later, this resulted into Pan-Turkism and we all know what that brought with it.
        Even today, Pan-Turkism is very much present in all aspects of the Turkish society, your "education" and brainwash being the perfect manifestations of this ideology.

        Originally posted by elendil
        Well, first of all Kebab is a food of middle-eastern origin, arab and persian to be more specific.
        Did I say that it's not?

        Originally posted by elendil
        Since it very delicious we also cook it. Doner as far as I know belongs to Turkish people...

        Pity yourself, little person of little country....
        Seeing how seriously you pursue the subject of kabab, (I'm Iranian so tolerate my pronunciation of the word), I can't help pitying you. (phhhukkk, you forced me to break my record of wasting smileys!)
        I see your penis envy!
        My xxxx is much bigger than yours... My xxxx can walk right through the door
        SOAD, opening verse of Cigaro from Mezmerize.
        Not a square nanometer of the land you are occupying belongs to you.
        I apologize to the mannered readers (if anyone bothers to read, that is!), but I have to get vulgar again seeing how small brained you are.
        A beautiful Iranian proverb says: Do not fokk with other people's xxxx!
        If one was to find the fossilized excrement samples of people like Mashtots, Vartan Mamikonian, Narekatsi, Shirakatsi, Khorenatsi, David Anhaght, Heratsi... all the way to Sayat Nova, Komitas, Abovian, Raffi, Charentz, Parouyr Sevak, Shiraz, Aram Khachaturian, Spendiarian...(the list is endless.), one gram of that sample would be more valuable and much, much greater than all the "achievements" of your barbaric kind in the last 9.5 centuries.
        The sheer fact that you view greatness in how much of other people's territory you can occupy and turn to rubble, shows the littleness of you, little representative of a little parasitical species.

        Originally posted by elendil
        (Quote revisited H.) Armenia is not taken seriously because it does not have or is not near to energy sources, not to mention weak economy, military.
        The weak economy caused by thousand years of Turkish demolition machine and present day illegal embargo, is growing by two digit figures for the last five consecutive years. The little country is 10% of my historic homeland 90% which is under your savage occupation where constant destruction of Armenian monuments is going on to this very day. That in itself is proof of the Genocide which is being continued by wiping off all the traces of Armenians from their historic homeland. A savagery that is unique to your kind in this day and age.
        Weak military? Didn’t we kick some serious Turkish ass a decade or so ago, despite the use of Chechen, Al Qaida and Afghan Mujahedin alongside a highly armed regular army by that bogus “nation”, who answered the legitimate demand for freedom from “Azeri” yoke with genocide and war?
        After they begged for cease-fire, which they unfortunately got, they are now whining and whimpering and wailing and howling and sniveling like hyenas and swine and jackals and wolves and foxes and are demanding land despite the fact they fokking lost the war they started in the first place.
        Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

        I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
        II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
        III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
        IV. They shut up and say nothing.

        [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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        • #274
          Moderator

          I wont make comments offending you or other Armenians in this site. So I wont reply to this one page of crap, but rather call moderator of to forum to edit this post. I can take insults myself, reply to them but this line especially I think makes this post more then offensive. Ofcourse I cant tell the moderator of the site what to do, but I think this post deserves to be deleted.
          Regards..
          The decadent West has lost the respect for true human values such as starting a family. Don't get me wrong, I'm not religious, I don't even believe in god. But the hyper-materialistic West is an easy prey for the invading descendants of Chingiz and Teimur, who will "marry" Western women and force them into their beliefs and will have them bring Turkish snakes to this world in the middle of Europe

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          • #275
            You know the truth

            Originally posted by elendil
            I wont make comments offending you or other Armenians in this site. So I wont reply to this one page of crap, but rather call moderator of to forum to edit this post. I can take insults myself, reply to them but this line especially I think makes this post more then offensive. Ofcourse I cant tell the moderator of the site what to do, but I think this post deserves to be deleted.
            Regards..
            We have taken your crap for one thousand years give or take.
            You won't reply to my post because you know every word of it is true and you cannot prove me wrong.
            During the last 9 centuries or so you have constantly raped, stolen children for janissary, forced them into Islam, massacred and enslaved my people and consequently have reduced their numbers and increased yours and you have the guts to come to an Armenian forum and say:
            "Pity yourself, little person of little country...." while it's you who gnawed like scavengers at my country for so long that it has become little in size (not in content), you mock Armenia and expect not be challenged.
            All I want is for you to face your goddamn, ugly and dark history and throw the Kemalist myth in the garbage in order to become a part of civilized humanity.
            The thing is, you KNOW damn well the truth but you refuse to face it as a result of your brainwash.
            I'm sorry that you are offended but for one moment put yourself in our place and see how you have hurt my people when it was the Armenians that built your goddamn empire and you gave us genocide in return, while you shamelessly occupied and destroyed our home.

            Here I copy some phrases from your own post. Your words, not mine:
            Originally posted by elendil
            As to invading your country, yes that is exactly what we did. Some 900 years ago. Take it back if you will....
            Three truths in one, according to yourself:
            1. It's my country you are occupying.
            2. You do not differentiate between Oghuz (Seljuks) and Ottoman Turks, i.e. you are the same bunch.
            3. You pulverize the Kemalist theory that the Turks are an ancient civilized nation, indigenous to the region, that had a civilization 900000000000000 millennia B.C. in "Anatolia". You came 900 years ago and we were there before you, according to yourself.

            Originally posted by elendil
            Well, first of all Kebab is a food of middle-eastern origin, arab and persian to be more specific.
            You contradict your previous post, where you singled out kabab as being the contribution of the Turks to human civilization, need I say more?
            Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

            I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
            II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
            III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
            IV. They shut up and say nothing.

            [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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            • #276
              Everyone, no name calling please. Lets focus on the Armenian genocide and recognition. We can't insult the Turkish culture and expect them to listen to what we have to say about the genocide. In order to have effective debates, we need to keep it as friendly and respectful as possible.


              Thank you

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              • #277
                Originally posted by elendil
                I guess you mean communism is the reason of Armenia's present situation. You are probably right.... As Turkey and Isreal being not under the opression of communism, again you are right. But if you meant something else, I did not understand....
                Yes, I believe that's what he meant. The way our country was handed to us after the communism is not comparable to the way it is today. Not to mention the mentality of Armenia's population and how they're used to communism. It's hard to change all that over night. Everything takes time. We're getting there.

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                • #278
                  Originally Posted by elendil
                  Armenia is not taken seriously because it does not have or is not near to energy sources, not to mention weak economy, military.
                  This statement of your affirms that you are totally out of touch with the current realities of today. Armenia today holds immense significance. It is geographically located in a very strategic position. This geo-political significance of Armenia is of utmost importance for Russian, Iran and China and is part of their long term national security policies.

                  First off, Armenia is an obstacle in the way of Turkey, and the whole Turkic peoples in Azerbaijan and Central Asia. There are nearly 20-30 million Turks in northern Iran right on the border with Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. This is a major concern for Iran and this fact dictates Armenias significance for Iran. For instance, a few years back there was this option on the table of trading the lachin corridor for Zangezur(which divides azerbaijan with nakhijevan and Turkey). Even though this option was immediately rejected by Armenia, as soon as it was proposed, Iran sent its diplomats to Armenia right away to tell them this option was unacceptable to them.

                  With regards to Armenias military, it is the most powerful within the caucasus region, and it is the best organized within the entire former soviet union. Our military not only annihilated Azerbaijan, but also thousands of Mujahadeen hired by the Azeri gov't, chechen terrorists, and Nato-Turkey Generals which supplied weapons and training to them. And I'm sorry to inform you, but Armenia Defense agencies are very advanced. For instance, iran got its secret for developing nuclear facilities from the Armenian defense agencies.

                  Turkey is very weak. It is held together by lies and denial. The recognition of the Genocide will destroy Turkey once and for all. The denial of the armenian genocide is what holds everything together. Once the truth comes to the surface.....

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                  • #279
                    "Pity yourself, little person of little country...."
                    Yes, I did say this. But if you are aware I never complained to moderator to insults against Turkish state, since its policies might be wrong or right regarding point of view.
                    Besides I said
                    I wont make comments offending you or other Armenians in this site
                    .
                    Armenia as a state is another issue. Thus you will not find a post of mine that insults Armenians...

                    I'm sorry that you are offended but for one moment put yourself in our place and see how you have hurt my people when it was the Armenians that built your goddamn empire and you gave us genocide in return, while you shamelessly occupied and destroyed our home.
                    Armenians took part in the building of empire, but they did not and could not build it all which in terms of numbers would be impossible. We had discussed it before. Some Armenians allied with Russians we were being hit. This is not a lie, we have eyewitnesses in the issue my friend's grandfather for one. I am sorry but when Russia left the fronts you face all fury of Turkish with a few armed groups. This is what war is, you do not differ innocent from guilty..
                    Three truths in one, according to yourself:
                    1. It's my country you are occupying.
                    2. You do not differentiate between Oghuz (Seljuks) and Ottoman Turks, i.e. you are the same bunch.
                    3. You pulverize the Kemalist theory that the Turks are an ancient civilized nation, indigenous to the region, that had a civilization 900000000000000 millennia B.C. in "Anatolia". You came 900 years ago and we were there before you, according to yourself.
                    Ofcourse this is the truth, every historian in his right mind regarding Turkish history, knows these elements as fact. I never,ever said that we were here
                    900000000000000 years ago. In anatolia there were Armenians, Greeks, Kurds and Arabs before then we came. I have said this many a times in this forum what is the fuss about?
                    You contradict your previous post, where you singled out kabab as being the contribution of the Turks to human civilization, need I say more?
                    No you do not since you are putting words in my mouth. It was a member of this forum called "natural" who said that Kebab is a Turkish origin food,(my god I cant believe I argue about this)
                    Natural said:
                    The Turks created Kebabs the Greeks stole that as well as many other dishes...
                    And you said this(which was a good one I will add)
                    Kabab (in Persian) or Kebab means barbecue and it has existed in different cultures. However, if that's your only "contribution" to human civilization, then I pity you...
                    Then I said to finish the senseless arguement
                    Well, first of all Kebab is a food of middle-eastern origin, arab and persian to be more specific. Since it very delicious we also cook it. Doner as far as I know belongs to Turkish people...
                    Pity yourself, little person of little country...
                    So my Armenian friend, could you solve the situation? I hope so.

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                    • #280
                      This statement of your affirms that you are totally out of touch with the current realities of today. Armenia today holds immense significance. It is geographically located in a very strategic position. This geo-political significance of Armenia is of utmost importance for Russian, Iran and China and is part of their long term national security policies.
                      Every country in the world with a little sense of unity is significant no doubt by just standing there. As to Azeri goverment, they are our brothers, but they really made a mass out of the war situation. After all we could not go in it directly could we? We supported them, they failed....After all no matter how many weapons you give it is people that fight..
                      Per year Armenia spends $135 million to its defense, weapon purchase projects
                      It also has 13.65 billion "GPD" which simply is not much. Though Armenia is growing rapidly without doubt, in present situation it is weak compared to its neighbours. So what I said

                      Armenia is not taken seriously because it does not have or is not near to energy sources, not to mention weak economy, military.
                      is within this scope of economy and military is true...

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