Dashnaks Insist On Territorial Claims To Turkey

[maral_m79]

You are completely wrong, casper. Most of the Turkish people dont come from Central Asia, as you think of. The majority of Turkish nation consists of people who came from Balkans, east Europe, Russia. We are ethnically not real Turks. We are culturally Turks, therefore I dont see any reason to return to Central Asia. Central Asia has got its own people.

Umm, if MOST Turkish people are enthnically NOT Turks, what are they ??
Kurds ? Arabs ? Greek ? Armenians ? Or what ??

Concerning Armeniod opinions, I can say people full of hate like you cause massive destructions and agony in the human history. .

Really ?? Well let's see some examples of Massive destruction and agony in Human History casued by Armenians... Share please if you have any !!
You have the past 5,000 years to choose from, Armenians were around all that time, just point few examples if you are so sure !!

We dont say we didnot kill any armenian, many of them died or killed in a civil war. .

I don't know how many times we need to repeat this absurd "Civil War" BS ... There was no civil war, and DO NOT try to JUSTIFY Armenian Genocide !

[maral_m79]

The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959), a Polish Jewish legal scholar, in 1943, from the roots genos (Greek for family, tribe or race) and -cide (Latin - occidere, to massacre).

Good article you found, I hope that you had concluded some useful info from it

[Hovik]

You are completely wrong, casper. Most of the Turkish people dont come from Central Asia, as you think of. The majority of Turkish nation consists of people who came from Balkans, east Europe, Russia. We are ethnically not real Turks. We are culturally Turks, therefore I dont see any reason to return to Central Asia. Central Asia has got its own people.
Concerning Armeniod opinions, I can say people full of hate like you cause massive destructions and agony in the human history. We dont say we didnot kill any armenian, many of them died or killed in a civil war. But genecoide is a another thing related to politics. Today there is a independent Armenian State. Why dont you go to live there? It is a part of your beloved soil?

Furthermore, will you apoligize for our diplomates killed by Asala? Or Azeri Turks killed in Karadag?

Be sure to read the forum rules, one of which states that denial of the Armenian Genocide is not tolerated in this forum... keep that in mind.

[maral_m79]

hahahaha - civil war...yeah. FYI the term genocide was specifically coined to describe the type of mass killings carried out by the Turksih Government in 1915 against the innocent Armenian population - so can you really tell me that this designation does not apply - no you can't. Guilty. Admit you f'in xxxxx!

TRUE.... And here's what "Raphael Lemkin" said about it, in a TV Interview in !!

[Hovik]

TRUE.... And here's what "Raphael Lemkin" said about it, in a TV Interview in !!

Thank you Maral,

The point I was trying to make can also be found in this article and is quoted below:

"Mr. Lemkin had repeatedly mentioned in his writings that as a young man he was so troubled by the Armenian mass murders and the then on-going Holocaust that he coined the word genocide and worked tirelessly until the United Nations adopted the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, on Dec. 9, 1948."

The Armenian events inspired Lemkin to create the word Genocide...

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maral I was about to post the text of the very interview you linked to when i noticed that you had done so - kudos!

Turkishforces - I suspect that proper thought and reasoning is somewhat beyond you - but give it ago - prove me wrong...

From the article:

Raphael Lemkin then explains to the moderator how his interest in genocide began: “I became interested in genocide because it happened to the Armenians; and after[wards] the Armenians got a very rough deal at the Versailles Conference because their criminals were guilty of genocide and were not punished. You know that they [the Ottoman Turks] were organized in a terroristic organization which took justice into its own hands. The trial of Talaat Pasha in 1921 in Berlin is very instructive. A man (Soghomon Tehlirian), whose mother was killed in the genocide, killed Talaat Pasha. And he told the court that he did it because his mother came in his sleep ... many times. Here, …the murder of your mother, you would do something about it! So he committed a crime. So, you see, as a lawyer, I thought that a crime should not be punished by the victims, but should be punished by a court, by a national law.”

[maral_m79]

More on Lemkin And Armenian Genocide

I thought I might mention this too, as we are speaking about Lemkin and the Armenian Genocide ...


From the Text of the Armenian Genocide Bill (H.Res.398) November 18, 1999:

(17) Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term `genocide' in 1944, and who was the earliest proponent of the Genocide Convention, invoked the Armenian case as a definitive example of genocide in the 20th century.

(18) Raphael Lemkin described the crime as `the systematic destruction of whole national, racial or religious groups. The sort of thing Hitler did to the Jews and the Turks did to the Armenians'.




More conformation came from the International Association of Genocide Scholars, where in an open letter to Turkish PM in June 13, 2005; They remind him of :

1) Polish jurist Raphael Lemkin, when he coined the term genocide in 1944, cited the Turkish extermination of the Armenians and the Nazi extermination of the Jews as defining examples of what he meant by genocide





In Dr. Dennis Papazian's research titled " Modern Genocide: The Curse of the Nation State and Ideological Political Parties The Armenian Case" , we can read the following:

Four quotations from Raphael Lemkin on the Armenian Genocide: [64]
From a letter to Mrs. Thelma Stevens, Methodist Women’s Council, July 26, 1950:

“This Convention is a matter of conscience and is a test of our personal relationship to evil. I know it is very hot in July and August for work and planning, but without becoming sentimental or trying to use colorful speech, let us not forget that the heat of this month is less unbearable to us than the heat of the ovens of Auschwitz and Dachau and more lenient than the murderous heat in the desert of Aleppo which burned to death the bodies of hundreds of thousands of Christian Armenian victims of genocide in 1915.”

“In 1915 the Germans occupied the city of W. and the entire area. I used this time to read more history, to study and to watch whether national, religious, or racial groups are being destroyed. The truth came out only after the war. In Turkey, more than 1,200,000 Armenians were put to death for no other reason than they were Christians… . After the end of the war, some 150 Turkish war criminals were arrested and interned by the British Government on the Island of Malta. The Armenians sent a delegation to the peace conference in Versailles. They were demanding justice. Then one day, the delegation read in the newspapers that all Turkish war criminals were released. I was shocked. A nation was killed and the guilty persons were set free. Why is a man punished when he kills another man? Why is the killing of a million a lesser crime than the killing of a single individual?”


“I identified myself more and more with the sufferings of the victims, whose numbers grew, as I continued my study of history. I understood that the function of memory is not only to register past events, but to stimulate human conscience. Soon contemporary examples of genocide followed, such as the slaughter of Armenians in 1915. It became clear to me that the diversity of nations, religious groups and races is essential to civilization because every one of those groups has a mission to fulfill and a contribution to make in terms of culture… . I decide to become a lawyer and work for the outlawing of Genocide and for its prevention through the cooperation of nations.”


“…A bold plan was formulated in my mind. This consisted [of] obtaining the ratification by Turkey [of the proposed UN Convention on Genocide. Ed] among the first twenty founding nations. This would be an atonement for [the] genocide of the Armenians. But how could this be achieved?… The Turks are proud of their republican form of government and of progressive concepts, which helped them in replacing the rule of the Ottoman Empire. The genocide convention must be put within the framework of social and international progress. I knew however that in this conversation both sides will have to avoid speaking about one thing, although it would be constantly in their minds: the Armenians.”

[turkishforces]

Can you explain me why we should pay compansation

USA killed 2 million Vietnamese and even used chimical weapons on them and paid nothing.
USA killed 200.000 japonese by nuclear weapon and paid nothing.
USA killed millions of native americans and took their country and paid nothing.
Spain killed 20.000.000 native american in 1600s, took their country and paid nothing.
Spain killed thousands of muslim in Spain and paid nothing.
USA killed 100.000 iraqi and paid nothing.
Israel killed and still killing many arabs and took their country and paid nothing.
Japan killed and raped many chinese and korean and paid nothing.
Italy killed many arabs in north africa in 1910-1911 and paid nothing.
Germans killed 6.000.000 jewish and paid nothing.
Rusian killed many eastern european and chechen and paid nothing.
French and UK killed, plundered their country and used as slaves many african people and paid nothing.
USA took California, New Mexico, Arizone and Texas from Mexico and paid nothing.
So forth.....
Now, my armenian friends, can you explain me why we should pay something to you? Do you think we are only idiots in the world?
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[Reincarnated Am]

Now, my armenian friends, can you explain me why we should pay something to you? Do you think we are only idiots in the world?

Yes "you" are! (Not everyone) because you have no clue to what are you talking about.

[turkishforces]

why? explain?