Hello -- I have a question

[1.5 million]

well I was here to discuss and bring out the truth but I see that you are way away from politeness and speking motto. What's there left to do if you insult??
Sorry to try talking to you!

You are here to preach...yet you have no concept of what the truth is in this case - you are quite pathetic. There is really noghtin we can do for you that hasn't already been provided here. If you really care for truth read some and start thinking - if you are able.

BTW - you never did answer me concerning which scholarly historical texts you have used to reach your conclusions...and no Turkish TV "documentaries" and 7th grade history lessons are not sufficient.

[Bulgarian]

First of all "Bulgarian", Atatürk never declared or ordered a 250,000 or 500,000 or any death of the Armenians. On the second hand, he also punished the people killing the Armenians in special war courts.
_ When Atatürk gives a reception to the Lords, Ministries, Kings from all over the world, he deeply felt terrible with an English man staring at his eyes with anger. He called one of his aide and asked him to go learn what the man is looking him in such a way. The aide leaves and comes back soon. Atatürk asks him what the matter was. He says; "majesty,the man is angry because he says that you've killed his father!". Atatürk turns and asks the aide:"Well but what was his father doing in my lands?".

It was a war. But again I tell you that Atatürk never ordered such a crime. As ı said he punished the people treating bad to the Armenians. Keep that in mind.

Ataturk (the Bulgarian) was against Turkey in his long term aims.

He abolished the Caliphate (some people think he was Jewish - just think for a minute a clever Jewish man abolished the spirtual head of Islam). He got rid of Islams equivalent of the Pope. He basically created the chaos that is Islam today. Apart from contributing to the downfall of Islam what else did Ataturk do/want for Turkey? He wanted Turks to become western (ie lose their Turkish identity). He was in control of the Turkish armies - he was the leader of Turkey during the Turkish war of independence. That means he must take responsibility for the 250-500,000 Armenians who died. The Assyrians and Greeks were still being massacred at this time as well so the total dead is drastically higher. Ataturk assumed dictatorship of Turkey (he was autocrat for 15 years). He was the one who created the facist dictatorial "constitution" that is used in Turkey. Infact your constitution is the legacy of Ataturk - it just goes to show you who Ataturk was. A facist dictator who damaged Islam (he was not Muslim) and someone who seeks to make Turks lose their culture and become "Europeans".

[Bulgarian]

Kazak why dont you run along? Forget about telling us lies about the Armenian genocide.

What kind of person are you? In order to look at the truth you cant have your conclusion before you set out looking for the truth.



Answer me this queston:

Have you ever considered that the Armenian genocide DID happen? Are you open to this possibility?

[hitite]

I think this converse between this Kazak fellow and others it quite exemplery of what goes on the political level. What is the result: a few high fives among Armenians or Turks for a successful round of word bashing. What is the result: NOTHING.

[1.5 million]

I think this converse between this Kazak fellow and others it quite exemplery of what goes on the political level. What is the result: a few high fives among Armenians or Turks for a successful round of word bashing. What is the result: NOTHING.

Perhaps - likewise it reflects things on a level where Armenains are tellign the truth - backed with scholarly works based on corraborated eyewitness accounts of the day - overwhelming numbers of such...meanwhile the Turks are making up stories to justify what they say never happened and are blaming the victims...glad it makes you feel good...so do you believe in Hell? Just asking...

[hitite]

Ataturk assumed dictatorship of Turkey (he was autocrat for 15 years).

So would you have envisaged a fully democratic, multi-party election for a country who just lost millions of men in a devastating war, has zero infrastructure, has an illiterate population and has just tuned into something new after around a thousand years of absolute rule??

You truly would have been a charismatic visionary leader back in the early 20th century....

Ataturk also did horrendous things like giving women the right to vote even before many Western countries which truly makes him a real nut case.... But hey.... you only tell people of the good deeds of Atatürk; why?

[hitite]

Perhaps - likewise it reflects things on a level where Armenains are tellign the truth - backed with scholarly works based on corraborated eyewitness accounts of the day - overwhelming numbers of such...meanwhile the Turks are making up stories to justify what they say never happened and are blaming the victims...glad it makes you feel good...so do you believe in Hell? Just asking...

Yeah Turks do that a lot. They really are stupid, goat sticking pests who just come up with the same farse and then vanish. They never come up with the sort of evidence you have which probably makes you our winning contender in this ..........; no word for it. Since you have proven that Turks are the abomination of our Galaxy and stink like a rats ass especially on international flights and that they can not possibly have any thing 'true' to say because they are gentically brainwashed I really wonder if you feel good in the hell you have dragged us in?

[TurQ]

Hitite

I have this feeling that in this kind of discussions mostly the egos are battling, it is not the ideals or seeking for a truth etc.

In larger scale it is then the national prides battling. This makes the already problematic situation even get worse.

Yeah Turks do that a lot. They really are stupid, goat sticking pests who just come up with the same farse and then vanish. They never come up with the sort of evidence you have which probably makes you our winning contender in this ..........; no word for it. Since you have proven that Turks are the abomination of our Galaxy and stink like a rats ass especially on international flights and that they can not possibly have any thing 'true' to say because they are gentically brainwashed I really wonder if you feel good in the hell you have dragged us in?

[Bulgarian]

So would you have envisaged a fully democratic, multi-party election for a country who just lost millions of men in a devastating war, has zero infrastructure, has an illiterate population and has just tuned into something new after around a thousand years of absolute rule??

You truly would have been a charismatic visionary leader back in the early 20th century....

Ataturk also did horrendous things like giving women the right to vote even before many Western countries which truly makes him a real nut case.... But hey.... you only tell people of the good deeds of Atatürk; why?

Ok he gave women the vote.
Why are you defending Ataturk?


Are you Muslim? Ataturk (a Bulgarian Jew) abolished the Caliph (the Muslim pope). What kind of Muslim dies from liver disease (which is caused by HEAVY drinking)? From what I gather he was not a Muslim so a non Muslim abolished the Muslim pope. Thats a very bad thing. The Muslim pope could have told the terrorists where to shove it but its too bad there is noone to say that. I guess terrorism must be natural/integral part of Islamic doctrine.

Ataturk was responsible for massacres of 100,000s Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks.

Ataturk created a facist constitution.

Ataturk banned the Fez.

Ataturk banned the women the right to chose wherever or not to wear the headscarf. This stops freedom of choice and freedom of religion.

Ataturk signed a treaty to F the Armenians over after they had a genocide Ataturk stole their lands.

[TurQ]

You have to eat 40 bakeries of bread to understand it( choose the multi-grain ones they are healthy)

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