Reperation? Ok but How much?

[TurQ]

Maral

Cant wait to see how Hague gonna result!.

They really badly lie to you, Ataturk himself procecuted CUP members. Ataturk long ago had bad relations with CUP and he distanced himself.

Please make a more concrete relation between CUP and TUrkey. YOucant make it.

This was for you being 100% true, which is not the case. Believe me Turkey will not ever give a nickel for this, and I would definetly support that stance for Turkey.

Turkey has nothing to do with Armenian money, and Armenian money is not capable of founding a country. I dont know how you make such interesting claims.

If you ever tried to pursue justice towards those individuals who got Armenian wealth, I would whole heartedly support you, and I personally would like to see those wealth to be given to Armenian institutions in TUrkey.
But as far as the republic of Turkey concerned, you'll not see nickels coming out of state treasury.

Yes I stood by those lands and properties plundered by Caucusian Armenians.

You guys always distance(may be just for strategic purposes), that Anatolian Armenians groups/parties and Caucusian Armenians had nothing to do with each other(of course if we ignore 5000+ Armenians fought along with them), but when we ask for justice for Caucusian TUrks and muslims suddenly this changes wondering why!


Yes I'm waiting for Hague to rule on this

Moder republic of Turkey is up to it's nose guilty of Armenian Genocide, simply because it's founders were Armenian Genocide Perpetrators, and almost everyone of those CUP criminals (Ataturk's friends) who managed to aviod presion, were recruited back to important posts in the not-so-new Turkish State here's more details about NAMES, DATES, & HIDIOUS CRIMINALS The recycling of the criminal Young Turks.

In addition to that, you should NOT FORGET not for split second that The Modern Republic of Turkey WAS FOUNDED by using Armenian BLOOD money, stolen and confiscated from the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire...
It is rotten in roots Turq ... modern Turkey I mean..





Really !!!!

Armenians are not sueing Turkey in the ICC [ International Criminal Court ] in the Hague because Armenian Leaders are aware that they CAN'T WIN a case you know you're so funny !

Unfortunately your propaganda machine is so powerful in Turkey that you believe anything they tell you without bothering to check it for yourself... I would've forgave a kid for saying what you have just said, but YOU !!!!!!

From what I read above , it seems that you TurQ efendi have NO IDEA about something called Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and of course if you haven't bother to try to find out WHY in hell Armenians are not sueing Turkey in Hague & choose to believe what Turkish government's propagandists tell you, you wouldn't also know what does the "ARTICLE 11" of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court read... Why would you cheeck, you're happy to blindly follow the Turkish propaganda that you desprately want to believe..

Anyway, article 11 reads :

Article 11
Jurisdiction ratione temporis

1. The Court has jurisdiction only with respect to crimes committed after the entry into force of this Statute.

of course you know when it entered into force ? if you don't you can read it at the top of the page I just refered ... that's 2002...






Unfortunately Armenians in Caucasia did NOT RULE the country, so you might want to demans that from the Rulers .

Armenians should compensate Circissian Turks ???!!!! is that a Joke ?
Obviously you have NO IDEA about the Treaty of San Stefano, and Berlin EITHER !!

[elendil]

Maral has a point here. Without a doubt a recognition act will lead to legal basis for claims of the Diaspora Armenians in terms of land, money. I, personally also realize that there is no force in the world today that can dictate Turkey the impacts of such claims including Armenia, America, EU... But at the aftermath of such recognition, one can expect countries which wants to impose its politics to Turkey in middle-east, will use this legal-based would be arguements to hurt Turkey any kind of economic sanctions, weapons ambargo etc. Leaving aside believing if the Armenian genocide claims are true or not, we Turkish people must decide if it is to our benefit to restore relations with Armenia or Armenian people.
Today if I am not wrong there are 7 million Armenians in the world. 3 millions in Armenia itself, the rest of the population is scattered around the world. Even if one person sues Turkey and wins, that would endanger our relations with the justice departments of international community at least. From what I have seen so far there is not a single positive thing that will happen for us, if we improve relations with Armenian community. Maral says she wants the land, money. I suspect that the rest of the Armenian community would disagree with her.
To me it seems we have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

What do you say Turkish people of the forum? What kind of a course should we follow?

[TurQ]

I can see no relation with recognition and raparations. Turkey uses this for counter attack but in reality official recognition has nothing to do with Turkish republic.

But yes thats true the recognition thing(by the leaders, not the individuals like Maral) is a political tool, and has nothing to do with justice. So TUrkey responds politics with politics.

Maral has a point here. Without a doubt a recognition act will lead to legal basis for claims of the Diaspora Armenians in terms of land, money. I, personally also realize that there is no force in the world today that can dictate Turkey the impacts of such claims including Armenia, America, EU... But at the aftermath of such recognition, one can expect countries which wants to impose its politics to Turkey in middle-east, will use this legal-based would be arguements to hurt Turkey any kind of economic sanctions, weapons ambargo etc. Leaving aside believing if the Armenian genocide claims are true or not, we Turkish people must decide if it is to our benefit to restore relations with Armenia or Armenian people.
Today if I am not wrong there are 7 million Armenians in the world. 3 millions in Armenia itself, the rest of the population is scattered around the world. Even if one person sues Turkey and wins, that would endanger our relations with the justice departments of international community at least. From what I have seen so far there is not a single positive thing that will happen for us, if we improve relations with Armenian community. Maral says she wants the land, money. I suspect that the rest of the Armenian community would disagree with her.
To me it seems we have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

What do you say Turkish people of the forum? What kind of a course should we follow?

[TurQ]

I am for tracking down those individuals who robbed Armenian wealths, not because Armenians ask for it, I believe in it.
Those people took advatage of poor people and their situation, this cant be tolerable. Similarly that kind of people did terrible things to Turks and Muslims as well. If they were not punished yet, I think the wealth inherited from those individuals should be given to Turkey's Armenian foundations.

What do you say Turkish people of the forum? What kind of a course should we follow?

[imported_Hellektor]

We want our home and we want it rat and xxxxroach free!

tell me a single amount for all the suffered Armenians.
Germany paid 60 billion usd to jews, but they were 6 million.

I want my home and I'll take it back... sooner or later.
From the east Armenia reaches the shores of the Caspian. In the northwest we'll have Trebizond and the shores of the Black Sea, in the southwest Cilicia and the shores of the Mediterranean.

Everything that falls in between this triangle is ours and will be ours until the end of humanity.
It doesn't matter when we'll take our home back, it may take decades or centuries, but that day will inevitably come.
We'll take our home back and we'll make it rat and xxxxroach free.

Money? That'll be on the agenda as well:
The riches and houses and businesses and farms of 3 million people at least.
One million per family will make US$ 700,000,000,000 (assuming 700,000 families).

For more than 2000 churches you deliberately destroyed after 1915:
Assuming there were say 500 monasteries and 1500 churches:
US$ 1 billion for each monastery compound (although historical heritage is priceless) and US$ 100 million for each of the churches:
US$ 500,000,000,000 for the monasteries and US$ 150,000,000,000 for the churches.

US$ 1,350,000,000,000 total at least for the time being.

No one knows how many thousands of manuscripts, relics and stone crosses you burnt and destroyed. That can also be calculated approximately.

All in all US$ 2,000,000,000,000 for the start.

[Heat]

Echimiadzin Armenian Catholicos along with the Zsar called all Armenians to wage war against Muslims/Turks,

I would like to see you prove this allegation. With something authentic btw and not some made up nonexisting quotes from non existing books or other such silly nonsense.

[Heat]

Maral says she wants the land, money. I suspect that the rest of the Armenian community would disagree with her.

You suspect wrong.

[Heat]

Moder republic of Turkey is up to it's nose guilty of Armenian Genocide, simply because it's founders were Armenian Genocide Perpetrators, and almost everyone of those CUP criminals (Ataturk's friends) who managed to aviod presion, were recruited back to important posts in the not-so-new Turkish State here's more details about NAMES, DATES, & HIDIOUS CRIMINALS The recycling of the criminal Young Turks.

In addition to that, you should NOT FORGET not for split second that The Modern Republic of Turkey WAS FOUNDED by using Armenian BLOOD money, stolen and confiscated from the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire...
It is rotten in roots Turq ... modern Turkey I mean..

This would be a more appropriate flag for "modern" turkey.



In case TurQ the genius doesn't get it. It stands for RECYCLED GARBAGE!

[Vogelgrippe]

account & shipment info

I want my home and I'll take it back... sooner or later.
From the east Armenia reaches the shores of the Caspian. In the northwest we'll have Trebizond and the shores of the Black Sea, in the southwest Cilicia and the shores of the Mediterranean.

Everything that falls in between this triangle is ours and will be ours until the end of humanity.
It doesn't matter when we'll take our home back, it may take decades or centuries, but that day will inevitably come.
We'll take our home back and we'll make it rat and xxxxroach free.

Money? That'll be on the agenda as well:
The riches and houses and businesses and farms of 3 million people at least.
One million per family will make US$ 700,000,000,000 (assuming 700,000 families).

For more than 2000 churches you deliberately destroyed after 1915:
Assuming there were say 500 monasteries and 1500 churches:
US$ 1 billion for each monastery compound (although historical heritage is priceless) and US$ 100 million for each of the churches:
US$ 500,000,000,000 for the monasteries and US$ 150,000,000,000 for the churches.

US$ 1,350,000,000,000 total at least for the time being.

No one knows how many thousands of manuscripts, relics and stone crosses you burnt and destroyed. That can also be calculated approximately.

All in all US$ 2,000,000,000,000 for the start.

Please provide us with an address for the shipment of insecticides & pesticides, as well as with an account number for the wire transfer

[pax]

Well, it is true that there is a certain continuity between the cadres of CUP and Early Republican Period but i still believe that there are two important points that should be highligted:
1- It is wrong to assume a homogenity of ideology within CUP since there were multiple groups of different ideas i.e. Mustafa Kemal was one of the marginals because of problems between him and Enver.
2- It is impossible to build a bureaucratic elite from scratch after continous warfare of 12 years that reduced the available resources quite visibly but that does not mean there was a change at least in some of the policies and discourses.


Just another point regarding Hellektor's desire to take back 'home' : i am sure, we are all aware that land does not come alone, it comes with the population living on it and i am very surprised to find such an attitude in those who should have known it best, due to all those suffered in the past.