Ataturks statue in Israel

[lal]

I reported this post. And I will not write a single word more in this forum, until a harsh action (matching the highly racist, inhuman content of the post) is taken by the moderators. If no action is taken, I'll leave this forum not to return. One ape less one ape more, what will it differ?

although this must be the most friendly site among us,The more ı stay here, ı realise that it is quite impossible to establish real friendship among armenians and turks.ı have to confess that ı understand armenians hatred inside of them,no matter how much they try to hide it. they have good reasons for this. but ı dont understand the huge hatered among turks though. ı simply cant understand how can 3 million, poor armenians plus 3 million diaspora can be a threat to turkey? when Turks accept the genocide , armenia will take lands from turkey. extremely retarted paronia.

ı dont think any provocative words of any armenian must not anger any friendly and honest turks. they were our people 100 years ago, and now they are lost people scattered all over the world and squeezed in the lands of armenia.isnt that normal they ask for revenge?

if they curse us, call our symbol ataturk an fachist ape, dream about invading turkey ,call eastern anatolia,western armenia,dream about getting some more azeri lands,and consider themselves as the chosen people of god --like jews--what difference will that make. this shows that they want to be enemy of turks for ever and keep their identity alive this way.so what?

if ı was an armenian ı would feel the same way. ı wouldnt even like some turks apologising which can damage the theory of all turks are evil.

on the other hand, AG from our point of view is very important. we need to know our real history,we must be able to criticize ourselves.we need to know how and why muslim-christian wars happened.we must to learn to be a civilised society who can apologise. ı dont know any muslim country on earth who apologised for anything. they always have reasons. we also can have lots of reasons not to apologise. but we must. because at the end, we just destroyed a historic culture totally.

so my opinion is , turkish state and armenia republic must go on living as two enemy countries, untill they can agree on all todays political issues. ı wont feel morally depressed for this at all. ı mean if armenia only expects political gains and give nothing , its very normal that tensions can stay for ever. this is a totally different issue.

but we turks must individually be calm,more tolarant and be curious to understand the hatered we created in these people.

[ardakilic]

if they curse us, call our symbol ataturk an fachist.

I am Turk and Kemal is not my symbol. And i know many Turks wont be content to call him as their symbols. Entitling a dictator as a dictator is not an issue regarding to be an Armenian.

[phantom]

OK I see I got some explanation to do:
My comment was edited so I will have to quote myself:

"You see there is a little difference: for you- Turks evolution ended when ape becomes a Turk (in its highest entity as ataturk LOL)
For Armenians the evolution is never ended. as you know the strongest species are the one who survive... We have survived as a nation and culture for 4000 years and we survived even Turkish "fair treatment", and will survive always... you see now what happened during the evolution?"

If you talk to an ordinary Turk he would say that Turkish History begins with independents war, Mustafa Kemal and foundation of Turkish republic. Everything what happened before that has no relevance to Turks. Conclusion: for Turks ther was an evolution jump from ape to Ataturk. What is racist in this logical statement?
About nationalism; it all depends what you understand under it; but the cult of personality of Kemal and his theory (Kemalo-Nazism) are worst then any racist and nationalist theories all together. So you call me racist and want me to be banned for offending Kemal?
I am not against a dialog with Turks, but it doesn’t mean I must be sweat to them and instead of telling them what I think to tell them what they want to hear…
I will defend my right of expressing freely and will not tolerate any limitation or censorship in Turkish-Zimbabwean style…

Ok, I understand now. I thought you were comparing Turkish people to apes. But I see now you weren't doing that. Thanks for the explanation Vahe.

[Sako]

although this must be the most friendly site among us,The more ı stay here, ı realise that it is quite impossible to establish real friendship among armenians and turks.ı have to confess that ı understand armenians hatred inside of them,no matter how much they try to hide it. they have good reasons for this. but ı dont understand the huge hatered among turks though. ı simply cant understand how can 3 million, poor armenians plus 3 million diaspora can be a threat to turkey? when Turks accept the genocide , armenia will take lands from turkey. extremely retarted paronia.

I know my dear minister won’t reply but I guess I have to try again. Lal, when you read this paragraph it almost read as if we’re the idiots here and the Turks should know better. Sometimes when I read some things in this forum, it appears almost as if I’m the only one reading. No one hates you here Lal and Vahe wasn’t talking about Turks in general so calm down. We’re here talking about peaceful relations, trying to work things out and you think we’re the ones that hate all the Turks?

ı dont think any provocative words of any armenian must not anger any friendly and honest turks. they were our people 100 years ago, and now they are lost people scattered all over the world and squeezed in the lands of armenia.isnt that normal they ask for revenge?

Revenge? We’re trying to sort out everything that happened not to GET REVENGE and kill every Turk out there and take back every cm of land that belonged to us. We are angry at times but not at all the Turks, we’re angry more because of the current situation. After reading this post, I seriously get a different picture of what you think in your mind.

if they curse us, call our symbol ataturk an fachist ape, dream about invading turkey ,call eastern anatolia,western armenia,dream about getting some more azeri lands,and consider themselves as the chosen people of god --like jews--what difference will that make.

Are you out of your mind? You think all the Armenians want to get rid of the Turks and take back everything? You think we’re like the Turks in 1915? You better be having a rough day for saying all this.

this shows that they want to be enemy of turks for ever and keep their identity alive this way.so what?

Who? ALL ARMENIAN’S? What’s going on, Lal?

if ı was an armenian ı would feel the same way. ı wouldnt even like some turks apologising which can damage the theory of all turks are evil.

WRONG AGAIN, who ever said what the Turks are doing now with the petition is wrong? We’re simply saying that the real sons of b*****s out there might ruin it all and use those names in the wrong way to move their plans forward. No one says you’re doing something wrong.

so my opinion is , turkish state and armenia republic must go on living as two enemy countries, untill they can agree on all todays political issues. ı wont feel morally depressed for this at all. ı mean if armenia only expects political gains and give nothing , its very normal that tensions can stay for ever.

What are we supposed to give to Turkey, Lal? You think we want to stay enemies forever? You think we just go after political gains? That tension wasn’t created by us, don’t turn this conversation around. Yes, many Armenians show anger but that is not because they all hate Turks. You have to be more understanding. So many Armenians are changing their views nowadays. And yes Lal, this issue cannot be only morally dealt with, the Turks freakin wiped my country out of the pages of history in almost everyway possible and I am not rushing after revenge, I am rushing after JUSTICE.

but we turks must individually be calm,more tolarant and be curious to understand the hatered we created in these people.

Good point but you shouldn’t look at Armenians as if they all want to wipe out Turks. We aren’t jealous, evil minded people filled with hatred like your words seem to shout out. It’s US Lal that are curious about how great your country’s hatred and jealousy could be to turn our entire country and history to dust. Think about it. If you expect me to close my eyes at all you say because I respect you, you are wildly mistaken.

[lal]

I am Turk and Kemal is not my symbol. And i know many Turks wont be content to call him as their symbols. Entitling a dictator as a dictator is not an issue regarding to be an Armenian.

okay. ı write for myself ,not for you.like you,whatever you represent, islamists extremely hate atatürk too. but for the great majority of turkey,yes very strongly he is our symbol. he is not only kemalist's symbol ı mean.ı respect him a lot.

like ı said many times, ı recognise the genocide not politically. not because ım leftist or kemalist or islamist etc. there is a fact there. a moral obligation. anybody who has some humanity in herself, who read one of the sad story of an armenian woman walked out , can understand the great pain.

but again ,this apology is a humanistic apology and will not necessaraly solve the problems as many people expects. but may cause an open debate about AG in turkey hopefully.

[ardakilic]

okay. ı write for myself ,not for you.like you,whatever you represent, islamists extremely hate atatürk too. but for the great majority of turkey,yes very strongly he is our symbol. he is not only kemalist's symbol ı mean.ı respect him a lot.

like ı said many times, ı recognise the genocide not politically. not because ım leftist or kemalist or islamist etc. there is a fact there. a moral obligation. anybody who has some humanity in herself, who read one of the sad story of an armenian woman walked out , can understand the great pain.

but again ,this apology is a humanistic apology and will not necessaraly solve the problems as many people expects. but may cause an open debate about AG in turkey hopefully.

I represent nothing than myself and i am not an Islamist. Not only Islamists, but also most of leftists, Kurd patriots, liberals need to question Kemal's nationalist-racist dictatorship.

Moral obligations are also political issues most of the time.

I am sorry, i cannot respect any dictator.

[lal]

I represent nothing than myself and i am not an Islamist. Not only Islamists, but also most of leftists, Kurd patriots, liberals need to question Kemal's nationalist-racist dictatorship.

Moral obligations are also political issues most of the time.

I am sorry, i cannot respect any dictator.

if most people who signed are atatürk haters, ı m not so.

did you listen the star tv last night, government is going to sue everybody who signed the apology. is that true?

and did you realise,nobody signs it anymore.or is something wrong with the site?

[Alexandros]

if most people who signed are atatürk haters, ı m not so.

did you listen the star tv last night, government is going to sue everybody who signed the apology. is that true?

and did you realise,nobody signs it anymore.or is something wrong with the site?

lal, the petition site works fine now.

[ardakilic]

if most people who signed are atatürk haters, ı m not so.

I didnt claim this. But you implied the only so-called "Ataturk-haters" (in fact, it is not a personal hate but criticize and objection of dictatorship) are Islamists. I draw up other groups: Leftists, Kurd patriots...

Dont be afraid in the dark lal. No need to be flustered. They are like dogs, they bark aggresively to make frightened but if you come at you will hear the sound "aik aik".

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

although this must be the most friendly site among us,The more ı stay here, ı realise that it is quite impossible to establish real friendship among armenians and turks.ı have to confess that ı understand armenians hatred inside of them,no matter how much they try to hide it. they have good reasons for this. but ı dont understand the huge hatered among turks though. ı simply cant understand how can 3 million, poor armenians plus 3 million diaspora can be a threat to turkey? when Turks accept the genocide , armenia will take lands from turkey. extremely retarted paronia.

ı dont think any provocative words of any armenian must not anger any friendly and honest turks. they were our people 100 years ago, and now they are lost people scattered all over the world and squeezed in the lands of armenia.isnt that normal they ask for revenge?

if they curse us, call our symbol ataturk an fachist ape, dream about invading turkey ,call eastern anatolia,western armenia,dream about getting some more azeri lands,and consider themselves as the chosen people of god --like jews--what difference will that make. this shows that they want to be enemy of turks for ever and keep their identity alive this way.so what?

if ı was an armenian ı would feel the same way. ı wouldnt even like some turks apologising which can damage the theory of all turks are evil.

on the other hand, AG from our point of view is very important. we need to know our real history,we must be able to criticize ourselves.we need to know how and why muslim-christian wars happened.we must to learn to be a civilised society who can apologise. ı dont know any muslim country on earth who apologised for anything. they always have reasons. we also can have lots of reasons not to apologise. but we must. because at the end, we just destroyed a historic culture totally.

so my opinion is , turkish state and armenia republic must go on living as two enemy countries, untill they can agree on all todays political issues. ı wont feel morally depressed for this at all. ı mean if armenia only expects political gains and give nothing , its very normal that tensions can stay for ever. this is a totally different issue.

but we turks must individually be calm,more tolarant and be curious to understand the hatered we created in these people.

Lal, you are an amazing person! I like you every time more and more!