Turkey bans YouTube

[Gavur]

Number of Youtube visitors doubles after Turkish PM's remarks

Wednesday, December 17, 2008 00:39



The number of visitors to YouTube from Turkey, increased two-fold after the country’s prime minister said he has been frequenting the video-sharing website, despite the ban implemented by courts for almost a year.


Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said last month that he has been accessing YouTube, and confessed that he watched a video of the ceremony, in which veiled women became the members of the main opposition party, CHP, posted on the site

YouTube jumped to the ninth place, up from the fourteenth, as the most visited website in Turkey after Erdogan remarks.

At the time, Erdogan had urged reporters that they too should watch videos on the banned website.

Two courts ordered ban on YouTube in response to videos that it deemed insulting to Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey. Under Turkish law, it is crime to insult Ataturk.

Experts say there are many ways to access YouTube despite the ban; however they remind that all of these methods are illegal.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10579365.asp?scr=1

[ardakilic]

however they remind that all of these methods are illegal.

Another Hurriyet gag! It was illegal(!)...

Every people, especially youth in Turkey, knows the way to access youtube, blogspot and other banned sites.

Some lords arbitrarily wanted to progress absurdism in Turkey but in moral base i dont think it is illegal in the sights of people.

[hipeter924]

Its just another example of extremists in power in Turkey using the genocide and other issues to clamp down further on freedom of speech and general human rights in Turkey, this time they have targeted the internet.

Good on Turks for going to U Tube despite the ban, because no government has the right to take away freedom of information.

[UrTurkishFriend]

As a turkish Turkey is the most antidemocrat country all over the world and i hate that

[Joseph]

As a turkish Turkey is the most antidemocrat country all over the world and i hate that

Even though some may disagree with me, there are many natione less democratic than Turkey and Armenia is not nearly as democratic as it should be. We all have a way to go.

[tansel]

Even though some may disagree with me, there are many natione less democratic than Turkey and Armenia is not nearly as democratic as it should be. We all have a way to go.

As a Turkish citizen,

Yes, Turkiye does not have the best democracy in world but Turkiye is the most democratic country in its region and in the muslim world. Republic of Turkiye is the only one secular state in the Muslim world, and it is more secular than many european countries. Turkiye gave the women to voting right in 1926, this is earlier than France and many european countries.

this is so unfair to say," Turkiye is the most anti democratic country", if i must be realistic, Armenian democracy too weaker than Turkish democracy. comparing Armenian democracy wirh Turkish democracy is a big insult for me.


My Best Regards

[ardakilic]

As a Turkish citizen,

Yes, Turkiye does not have the best democracy in world but Turkiye is the most democratic country in its region and in the muslim world. Republic of Turkiye is the only one secular state in the Muslim world, and it is more secular than many european countries. Turkiye gave the women to voting right in 1926, this is earlier than France and many european countries.

this is so unfair to say," Turkiye is the most anti democratic country", if i must be realistic, Armenian democracy too weaker than Turkish democracy. comparing Armenian democracy wirh Turkish democracy is a big insult for me.


My Best Regards

Huh...

1. Turkey is the most democratic country in its region.
- In some aspects, right. But not IN EVERY aspect. Turkey is less than let's say even Iran in some part.

2. Turkiye is the only one secular state in the Muslim world.
- This is another Kemalist lie also.

3. It is more secular than many european countries.
- If secularity means to have a very confused state mind, yes true!

4. Comparing Armenian democracy wirh Turkish democracy is a big insult for me.
- So non-sense, why?

[tansel]

Huh...

1. Turkey is the most democratic country in its region.
- In some aspects, right. But not IN EVERY aspect. Turkey is less than let's say even Iran in some part.

2. Turkiye is the only one secular state in the Muslim world.
- This is another Kemalist lie also.

3. It is more secular than many european countries.
- If secularity means to have a very confused state mind, yes true!

4. Comparing Armenian democracy wirh Turkish democracy is a big insult for me.
- So non-sense, why?

1-which "some part" of Iran is more democratic than Turkiye?

2-Show me another secular country which its population's majority is muslim.

3-Secularity means seperation of the religion and the state. Everyone has right to beleive what they want. But state cannot have a religion. (according to Turkish constitution)

4-coz i only prefer to compare Turkish democracy with the advanced democracies. Armenian democracy is not so different than afghanistan democracy. they cant even elect their president withouth violence. remember the last Armenian elections.

[ardakilic]

1-which "some part" of Iran is more democratic than Turkiye?
2-Show me another secular country which its population's majority is muslim.
3-Secularity means seperation of the religion and the state. Everyone has right to beleive what they want. But state cannot have a religion. (according to Turkish constitution)
4-coz i only prefer to compare Turkish democracy with the advanced democracies. Armenian democracy is not so different than afghanistan democracy. they cant even elect their president withouth violence. remember the last Armenian elections.

1. I just give Iran as an example to compare Turkey and i thought this is a good way to break Turkey's "Kemalist arrogance". Kemalist arrogance is to behave against Islamic and/or Eastern countries as a person who comes from vilage to metrpolitan city and turned back. I am not advocating Iran, but as i said, to break that kind of arrogance, Iran is good example:

a- Minorities, especially Christian minorities right and participation to political life
b- Women's participation to social and political life

2. My argument is not there is any other country which is both secular and its population mostly Muslim. If we look at constitutions, Indonesia constition doesnot define any state religion. Although many Muslim-populated countries' constitutions define Islam as the religion of state, they have much more better religious tolerance and harmony than Turkey (Malaysia, Syria, Algeria, Libya). Also, for example, Greece or England is not secular but the huge difference between their democracy and Turkish one is impossible to compare.

3. In some aspects, Turkey has a secularism which is as hostile as Soviet practice and in some aspects Turkey is more Islamic ruling country than Iran.

4. Armenian democracy can have problems just as Turkey has. But this undeserved arrogance is not democracy (rule of people, by the people, for the people) just propaganda of Turk to Turk, by Turk, not for Turk.

[tansel]

1. I just give Iran as an example to compare Turkey and i thought this is a good way to break Turkey's "Kemalist arrogance". Kemalist arrogance is to behave against Islamic and/or Eastern countries as a person who comes from vilage to metrpolitan city and turned back. I am not advocating Iran, but as i said, to break that kind of arrogance, Iran is good example:

a- Minorities, especially Christian minorities right and participation to political life
b- Women's participation to social and political life

2. My argument is not there is any other country which is both secular and its population mostly Muslim. If we look at constitutions, Indonesia constition doesnot define any state religion. Although many Muslim-populated countries' constitutions define Islam as the religion of state, they have much more better religious tolerance and harmony than Turkey (Malaysia, Syria, Algeria, Libya). Also, for example, Greece or England is not secular but the huge difference between their democracy and Turkish one is impossible to compare.

3. In some aspects, Turkey has a secularism which is as hostile as Soviet practice and in some aspects Turkey is more Islamic ruling country than Iran.

4. Armenian democracy can have problems just as Turkey has. But this undeserved arrogance is not democracy (rule of people, by the people, for the people) just propaganda of Turk to Turk, by Turk, not for Turk.

Selam

1- i heard the definition of "Kemalist arrogance" first time, i have never faced a kind of behaviour like "kemalist arrogance" in Turkiye. i really don't have an idea about what you are talking about. so i can not discuss about generally unknown definitions.

a) every individual who is over 18 age has right to elect, every individual over 25 has right to be elected.

b) every individual who is over 18 age has right to elect, every individual over 25 has right to be elected. and the Turkiye's former female president Tansu Çiller proved there r no legal barriers against the women in political life in Turkiye.

2-i am not curious about ur personal opinion, pls show me concrede evidences that can confirm your claims.

3-i am not curious about ur personal opinion, pls show me concrede evidences that can confirm your claims.

4-Armenian democracy is too weak to compare it with Turkish democracy.


you can have an hatred against Turkiye and Turks, i can understand that but pls be a little more reasonable, don't let your hatred block your sense.