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  • #41
    Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
    First of all, DO NOT SHOW YOUR COARSENESS! If you have counter-arguments, propose. If you have evidences, show. If you have idea, tell. But here is not comedy theatre, so trying to ridicule doesnot make you funny.



    There is no problem unless you express your identity. The problem is not having a Kurd president. Problem occurs whenever (s)he expresses that (s)he is Kurd. This is like expression freedom. Thinking whatever you want is free. You say "There is no obstacle in thinking". Of course there isnt unless you express it. Obstacle exist in expressing, not in thinking/being.



    I stated and once again: A single example doesnt prove that the generalization is valid (This is called accident fallacy). Fallacy! Can you see?

    According the WEP Report-2008: Participation of women to political life and equality of genders index, Turkey is at 123rd rank and Iran 116th. Tunis, Jordan and UAE is 103rd. There are lots of international organizations report like this.



    Laugh at yourself. Yes, i am a math genius but this is irrelevant to the issue.

    1-you are pronouncing my grandfathers as murderers, the coarseness begins here.

    2-this site's name is armeniangenocide.com, comedy theatres looks more serious and realistic to me. arguments and counter-arguments are for serious ppl and platforms. so dont expect this seriousness from me at this platform.


    3- The problem occurs when (s)he starts to ethnical nationalism in politics. being kurdish or speaking kurdish is not a crime. ( i am half kurdish and proud of it.)

    4-its funny i am showing you an example but u cant show me an example and you r saying that only one example doesnt prove anything. can you see the falacy??

    i do not consider WEP Report-2008 as dogma, i need to know whats its criteria?




    "Science is the most reliable guide in life."
    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

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    • #42
      Originally posted by tansel View Post
      1-you are pronouncing my grandfathers as murderers, the coarseness begins here.

      2-this site's name is armeniangenocide.com, comedy theatres looks more serious and realistic to me. arguments and counter-arguments are for serious ppl and platforms. so dont expect this seriousness from me at this platform.


      3- The problem occurs when (s)he starts to ethnical nationalism in politics. being kurdish or speaking kurdish is not a crime. ( i am half kurdish and proud of it.)

      4-its funny i am showing you an example but u cant show me an example and you r saying that only one example doesnt prove anything. can you see the falacy??

      i do not consider WEP Report-2008 as dogma, i need to know whats its criteria?
      1. You donot have to be loaded by sins of Ittihadists. Which one is your grandfather? The mass murderer Kemal the Boghazlian governor or Muftu Abdullahzade Mehmed who says "I am afraid of God" for the Armenain massacres? I have chosen the second one.

      2. Nothing to say! You exhibit your aim by saying not to see any necessity to be serious. You have come just to shout and cannot show any braveness to defend your ideas.

      3. What will we do about Turkish ethnical nationalism which is established by the constitution and many decrees? Is saying "Could you give me a glass of water please" in Kurdish, in the comprehension of Kurdish nationalism? But a deputy is being tried for saying this. Thanks to God, speaking Kurdish in public areas is not prohibited for a long time. But it was.

      4. I stated there are lots of reports indicating the situation. One more:

      According to Human Development Index Building the Capabilities of Women Section (2008): Turkey is in 101st rank through 108 countries (Syria 93rd, Rwanda 65th, Panama 64th...).

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      • #43
        Originally Posted by tansel
        3- The problem occurs when (s)he starts to ethnical nationalism in politics. being kurdish or speaking kurdish is not a crime. ( i am half kurdish and proud of it.)

        Actually it is.You can be sentenced to prison for talking Kurdish even if you are dead!

        Read the article below:

        Dead Writer And People Who Cannot Speak Kurdish Sentenced For Speaking Kurdish


        The court sentenced Fidan, who was killed four years ago, Erbaş, who was not at the scene of the supposed crime, and Kalay to prison for speaking in Kurdish. Erbaş and Kalay do not even know Kurdish.

        Bia news center - Manavgat

        18-12-2008

        1st Criminal Court of First Instance of Antalya sentenced fifteen people, among whom Poet Şükrü Erbaş and Hikmet Fidan, a Kurdish politician who was killed in 2005, to prison for nine moths for “talking n Kurdish” during the election process.

        The incident that eventually brought the sentence was the speech given by Fidan at the opening of the election bureau of the Democratic People Party (DEHAP), closed later, in 2002. Erbaş, who was a candidate in the elections, was not there at the time, but his name was on the list of the invited.

        The ruling has been protested in a press release by various writers and intellectuals lead by Aydın Çubukçu, Sİbel Özbdun, Zerrin Taşpınar and Ali Balkız at the Yüksel Street in Ankara.


        Gürgöz: They sentenced the person who died four years ago

        Lawyer Nusret Gürgöz, secretary of the Antalya Branch of the Contemporary Jurists Association (ÇHD), told bianet that the fact that Fidan who died four years ago showed what kind of trial they ha face.

        According to Gürgöz, Erbaş and Şemsettin Kalay do not even know Kurdish and some of the people were not even in Manavgat, the place where the opening took place. Gürgöz said they appealed the decision for four of the suspects and they will take up their defense once the judgment is reversed.

        Those who were sentenced are Celal Gülsavan Budak, Cevdet Çağlar, Şükrü Erbaş, Şemsettin Kalay, Yılmaz Yavuz, Ahmet Tozluyurt, Hikmet Fidan, Mehmet Gündüz, Rukiye Altılar, Hazne Yıldırım, Cemil Aktaş, Ömer Açar, Adnan Koçak Demir, İhsan Yıldız.


        “Tragicomic and strange trial”

        The victims held a press release at Antalya Journalists Association on Wednesday (December 17), describing the trial process at the time when the authorities are claiming they are going to take steps regarding the Kurdish problem as “tragicomic and strange.”

        Erbaş said the problem was not him, but the inability to speak in Kurdish in public space and daily life without being under pressure.

        Writer Hasan Kıyafet, too, stated that all the languages, including Kurdish, needed respect. He said he was punished forty years ago for describing Kurdish as one of the languages he spoke well at the back of his book published in 1969, and the Kurdish language is still a trial cause today.

        Cevdet Çağlar, head of the Antalya province for the Democratic Society Party (DTP), said he was sued 67 times for similar reason.

        Kalaycı stated that the authorities were alienating and punishing all the candidates from the DEHAP and the DTP for being Kurds. (EÖ/TK)


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        • #44
          85-years old Kurdish mother cannot see her son in prison just because she cannot speak Turkish:



          Army coup leader Kenan Evren confesses: "Prohibition of Kurdish language was wrong"



          Deputy candidate Orhan Morglu was sentenced because of speaking Kurdish in a meeting (September 2008):



          Kurdish preaching is banned by Religious Affairs Administration:

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
            Actually it is.You can be sentenced to prison for talking Kurdish even if you are dead!

            Read the article below:
            That one is a peach!
            Alexandros, you could put that in the "Confederacy of Morons" thread.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by tansel View Post
              1-you are pronouncing my grandfathers as murderers, the coarseness begins here.
              Arda makes the better choice, which is open to you too tansel, if you want it.
              2-this site's name is armeniangenocide.com, comedy theatres looks more serious and realistic to me. arguments and counter-arguments are for serious ppl and platforms. so dont expect this seriousness from me at this platform.
              Why linger here then?
              3- The problem occurs when (s)he starts to ethnical nationalism in politics. being kurdish or speaking kurdish is not a crime. ( i am half kurdish and proud of it.)
              I'm interested to know if you speak Kurdish, if you do, where do you speak it?
              In the shops/cafes. At work? At home?
              If you don't speak it, why not?

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              • #47
                Originally posted by steph View Post
                That one is a peach!
                Alexandros, you could put that in the "Confederacy of Morons" thread.
                Yes, if you send me 50 euros.LOL.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
                  Yes, if you send me 50 euros.LOL.

                  5 cents from me

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
                    Yes, if you send me 50 euros.LOL.

                    That's about £50 now!!!!

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by tansel
                      did the Turkish goverment kill anybody? what are you talking about?
                      Yes, it did.

                      Originally posted by tansel
                      so go make your country democratic and then come to me and critisize my country.
                      My country is the same as your country. And I will criticize "our" country whenever warranted.

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