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  • #21
    Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

    Originally posted by Selpak View Post
    No Turks remains in Armenia. Armenians of Turkey have schools, churches,...etc, even an island. Some of them act like cancer. ...
    Remember the Treaty of Lausanne? The one you always bring up when Armenians speak of Western Armenia? In it, your leaders agreed to respect the rights of Turkey's minorities. So I'm sorry it bothers you that the Armenian community of Turkey, now reduced to a few schools, churches and perhaps an island in Istanbul, is still there.

    Turks in Armenia? What about Armenians in Anatolia? Thanks for preserving a few thousand in Istanbul as a showcase of your country's tolerance. Though after recent events such as Hrant Dink's assassination, and keeping in mind the fate of the historic Greek community, their days might be numbered.

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    • #22
      Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

      Originally posted by Lucin View Post
      Hidden 'Armenians' in Turkey...


      I don’t know what you guys think of the clip and the people there( some of you might be tearful), but personally I have no pity for these Armenians, they are an utter embarrassment to our nation...
      There's no easy answer to your question: do you take the chance to reintegrate within the Armenian Nation or do you let History take its course and complete the assimilation process into the *urkish Nation?

      The issue of the Hamshens is more difficult for two reasons:
      1- They are aware of their Armenian past and do not necessarily hide it
      2- They are much greater in number
      3- They are Muslim
      4- It's a well defined - organized or not - denomination or community

      Considering that, in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, Armenian or *urkish is not necessarily a genetic or racial denomination, then I can't consider them as Armenians because, ethnically, they either are not - or, in the best case, may not be.

      Why not reintegrate them into the Armenian Nations? On the positive side, not only we would grow in number, but we would also "have a foot" in Western Armenia. On the negative side, there may be a risk of contamination of Armenian values and mindset by *urkish ones.
      In any case, it is a complex question and the above is just an oversimplified discussion.


      Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations
      What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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      • #23
        Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

        Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
        In TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, Armenian, Greek or *urkish is not necessarily a genetic or racial denomination, the difference is of ethnic nature. *urks, not only have stolen the ancestral lands of the natives, they have also stolen the genetic heritage and physical appearance- as if to create the illusion of being the rightful owners of the stolen lands.
        Wow! This was the strongest hatred message I have ever seen here. Wow, you really literally hate Turks.

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        • #24
          Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

          Originally posted by ArmSurvival View Post
          I have no problem with Armenians hating the nationalist and racist Turks, I'll join you on that one. But you guys don't seem to understand that generalizing an entire people makes them stand united against us. Don't push the liberal Turks into the same camp as the nationalists. Making more people hate us = Bad politics.
          This is a really good point that I agree as a Turk. Your radical hatred make the problem unsolved. If you stop this Turks are bla bl bla sh.t, then we may struggle against the idiotic nationalist Turks here in Turkey But your diaspora make everything worse. It is nice that one Armenian, finally, at least, come to this point.

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          • #25
            Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

            Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
            In TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey,
            I read again and again. What temporarily bla bla bla...is this Angry girl Siamanto! Just so funny really

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            • #26
              Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

              ArmSurvival who can you talk about friendship between armenian and turks? how can we be friends with people that still denie what there antcestors have done to us and the reason that most armenians hate turks is for what they have done in the past and what they are doing now
              Siamanto you're right their is no easy awnsor for their problem but their is one thing that they need to do and that is never forgot who they are and where they are from this is something evrey Hay that doesn't live in Armenia needs to do so that we never are going to be assemilated(sp?)


              Karo
              You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

              "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

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              • #27
                Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

                Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
                There's no easy answer to your question: do you take the chance to reintegrate within the Armenian Nation or do you let History take its course and complete the assimilation process into the *urkish Nation?

                The issue of the Hamshens is more difficult for two reasons:
                1- They are aware of their Armenian past and do not necessarily hide it
                2- They are much greater in number
                3- They are Muslim
                4- It's a well defined - organized or not - denomination or community

                Considering that, in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, Armenian or *urkish is not necessarily a genetic or racial denomination, then I can't consider them as Armenians because, ethnically, they either are not - or, in the best case, may not be.

                Why not reintegrate them into the Armenian Nations? On the positive side, not only we would grow in number, but we would also "have a foot" in Western Armenia. On the negative side, there may be a risk of contamination of Armenian values and mindset by *urkish ones.
                In any case, it is a complex question and the above is just an oversimplified discussion.


                Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations

                My talk was not referred to our Hamshen Armenians (who live in western Armenia) but the people in the clip (who were from a village near Constantinople) and some polsahays… who choose to hide their identity, deny what happened to our ancestors, badmouth other Armenians, as long as their business is on track.
                Regarding hamshentis, I agree with you on their reintegration in the future, although I don't know how their Islam would be dealt ...

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                • #28
                  Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

                  Originally posted by Selpak View Post
                  No Turks remains in Armenia. Armenians of Turkey have schools, churches,...etc, even an island. Some of them act like cancer. ...
                  what deos it mean,who acts like cancer?
                  anyway hidden Armenians are really hidden because most orphan children's name were changed and they were given to turkish families.Ya,Armenians have schools,churches,...etc.even an island,but just in Istanbul.Tom is right,what about Anatolian Armenians?
                  veritas omnia vincit

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                  • #29
                    Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

                    Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                    Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
                    The issue of the Hamshens is more difficult for two reasons:
                    1- They are aware of their Armenian past and do not necessarily hide it
                    2- They are much greater in number
                    3- They are Muslim
                    4- It's a well defined - organized or not - denomination or community

                    My talk was not referred to our Hamshen Armenians (who live in western Armenia) but the people in the clip (who were from a village near Constantinople) and some polsahays… who choose to hide their identity, deny what happened to our ancestors, badmouth other Armenians, as long as their business is on track.

                    Yes, you were limiting yourself to Hidden Armenians and I was aware of it; I just did not express myself clearly. I apologize for the confusion.
                    Maybe, I should have said:
                    "The issue is somehow similar to that of the Hamshens, but the latter [the issue of the Hamshens] is more difficult for the following reasons:"
                    LOL Also, I see that I said "two reasons" but listed four! It was past 2 AM and I was preparing to go to bed.


                    By the way, it also applies to some of those who claim to be Armenians....for instance, Mesrob Scum Mutafian.
                    What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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                    • #30
                      Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

                      Remember the Treaty of Lausanne?
                      Turks were erased from Caucasian before Treaty of Lausanne.

                      your leaders agreed to respect the rights of Turkey's minorities.
                      Our leaders forced to respect the rights of Turkey's chiristian minorities. They had an agenda.


                      Armenian community of Turkey, now reduced to a few schools, churches and perhaps an island in Istanbul, is still there.
                      Armenian schools and churches percentage still more than turkish ones. I mean exp.: 1 Armenian school for 200 Armenians, 1 Turkish school for 1500 Turks

                      Turks in Armenia? What about Armenians in Anatolia? Thanks for preserving a few thousand in Istanbul as a showcase of your country's tolerance. Though after recent events such as Hrant Dink's assassination, and keeping in mind the fate of the historic Greek community, their days might be numbered.
                      Hrant Dink was from Malatya, not istanbul. He went to istanbul like you went to US. Forceing people to leave their land and killing them is not same with imigration, isn't it? Any way, there is no Turks in Armenia.

                      istanbul pogrom is one of the dark page of Turkish Republic. I won't support it. But try to compare it with Cyprus. Btw, how many greeks died during pogrom 5, 15, you can not say more than 15. Just check Cyprus.

                      what deos it mean,who acts like cancer?
                      The people who suports Sevr.

                      Tom is right,what about Anatolian Armenians?
                      Some of them died on Russian side with turkish weapons; some of them died during relocation, some of them died in French uniforms, some of them died in Greek uniforms, some of them escaped with Greeks from izmir, some of them still live in Anatolia, some of them went to istanbul, some of them imigrate to other countries, some of them lives in ME, some of them became turkish, some of them converted to Turk... Where is Caucasian Turks?

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