Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Wow! All this because I have STARTED my argument with a sentence that you considered answered???? Did your reply to Karo completely answer my argument? NO.

What about the rest of the post?





With all due respect, you are becoming unreasonable and absurd.


Good Night! (La nuit porte conseil! )

The reply to Karo's post not only answered his post but it answered your question on why it matters on what they thought. On top of that I wanted to speak in Armenian about the issue at hand (which I mentioned earlier). I don't want to be too pushy but I need to know. Can you only read transliterated Armenian (written in Latin letters or can you read both). I cannot write Armenian in transliteration because it's really confusing sometimes but I can definitly read it and understand it. And I don't see how it's that absurd or unreasonable. If you understand what I said then it should only take you about 5 minutes to give me a summary of what I wrote. If you can't write in Armenian then just P.M. me a tranlation in English. I don't see any point in arguing (stating opinions) with you if you don't even understand what I wrote down so I need to know.

[karoaper]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Ես չեմ ասում որ իրանց շատ սիրենք կամ իրանք մեզի շատ հարգեն բայց կարողա իրանք չեն մտածի նույն ճեւը Հայերի մասին: Կարողա Հայերի հետ կը հաւատան Ցէղասպանությունի մասին (սաղ Թուրքերը չե -- բայց կարողա ավելի շատ): Ես գիդեմ որ շատ վատ Թուրքեր կան այս աշխարում բայց մի քանի հատ կա որ Հայերի հետ հաւատում էն: Էս Թուրքերը չեն գանգատարկում որովհետեւ իրանց կառաւարությունը չի թողում և շատ մարդ չկա որ իրանց հետ համաձայնում է -- չ՞ե: Բայց որ Հայեր լինեն Թուրքիայում դե կարողա իրանք կարան Թուրքերի կարծիկները փոխեն և աւելի շատ Թուրք կը պաշպանի իրանց (էն Թուրքերին որ հաւատում էն Ցէխասպանությունի հետ): Կը ներես. ես չուզեցի Թուրքերի դեմը ասեի և ճիշտ չասեցի անգլերենով:

Kneres vor Angleren grem, baic "it's important for turks to know just how we feel about them".

Why, because no amount of good will on our part will change a thing, concerning justice by the state of turkey. See, even those turks today who are relatively pro-Armenian, who know and feel that they're being bullxxxxted to, will not raise a finger to take the loot appropriated by their country and return it to us, no matter how many Armenian folk concerts are played in turkey. The reasons is that all turks upon becoming adults come into inheritance of the turkish blind superior nationalistic culture. You know, "I'm a turk, I'm most hardworking deepxxxx in the world, blah blah blah". The most a turk, even one who says he loves Armenians and Armenian culture, will give us is a "fake" consolation, a facade. The point is turkey right now is on a decade long plan, that's been in implementation since 30s and 40s, to "weather" out the storm of Armenian anger and resentment, all the while eradicating the Armenian traces in Anatolia, until, they hope, enough time will pass that Armenians will forget or forgive and the crime will go unpunished.

So, your idea of Armenians living in turkey making a difference in turkey's anti-Armenian stance is quite honestly very naive. If turkey didn't awake from the madness 10, 20 years after the Genocide, when the rivers were still red, and did something right for a change, do you honestly think they're going to do it now. Think about it, there are still Armenians now in turkey who are yet to take a righteous stance in this struggle. The reason is because it is impossible for a minority to "peacefully" and yet drastically influence the majority and the nation, which is for and by the majority, especially if the majority could take a big hit as a result. More likely is the opposite that majority will influence the minority, which is what's happening in turkey today.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

I understand what you mean but Armenian's, back then, were so weak that they didn't say very much in protest. It's not the same now. And on top of that these Armenian's show that the Turkish government has been lying to them their whole lives. Don't you think that the turkish people would realize that 'hmmm...this person was Turkish 2 days ago but now he says he has Armenian liniage....I need to think about this... what's going on...' A lot of Armenians in Turkey did not realize they were anything but Turkish for a long time but what will happen when more and more will pop up? what will the general public think? And what will happen when the opinion of the general public changes?

[Էլիա]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

A lot of Armenians in Turkey did not realize they were anything but Turkish for a long time but what will happen when more and more will pop up? what will the general public think? And what will happen when the opinion of the general public changes?

Well, since being Armenian is an "insult" in Turkey, they won't really care, unfortunately.

[exfo]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

I would also be scared if, each time I looked into a mirror, I saw in my face a biological mask to hide and conceal the identity of the Central Asian thief who killed and looted the owners of my house?
I would also be scared if, each time I looked at my ID Card, I saw (Latin) characters meant to hide and conceal the identity of the Central Asian thief who killed and looted the owners of the lands.

You should go to a doctor.

[exfo]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Sev zeytun, why do you discuss these issues that much complicated, just say that "I hate Turks, they are bla bla bla" like Siamanto and go on.

[Lucin]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

I really don’t understand… what’s the fantasy of being in unwanted places? You( Turks) were not welcome in Anatolia, yet you invaded... the EU locks up its doors, you attempt to enter from the window... and now… invading Armenian forums... Leave the humanity alone...

[exfo]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

I really don’t understand… what’s the fantasy of being in unwanted places? You( Turks) were not welcome in Anatolia, yet you invaded... the EU locks up its doors, you attempt to enter from the window... and now… invading Armenian forums... Leave the humanity alone...

Leave Tehran to Persians

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Sev zeytun, why do you discuss these issues that much complicated, just say that "I hate Turks, they are bla bla bla" like Siamanto and go on.

Because these are important and complicated issues that some people bypass as if nothing with the excuse that "Turkish people are this and that...." Like I said before, I don't hate people I just dislike some governments.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Well, since being Armenian is an "insult" in Turkey, they won't really care, unfortunately.

Well, what if it was your co-worker, neighbor, good friend, or even your spouse? Are they going to treat them like dirt too? Even if they know them very well and know that they are not that person (infidel) and don't deserve that kind of treatment? What about their opinions?