Religion and Atheism

[Sip]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Is a religion not worth considering if it is not "major"?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Let's not do this again...
I'm not asking what you believe. I'm saying according to the world's religions over time, are there mutually exclusive gods? The answer is yes. Therefore, there is this flaw with Pascal's gambit and besides that, there were other things I mentioned.

Not if you're referring to the major religions.

[gkv]

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he'd understand that he just didn't provide enough evidence for me to believe

who/what are you to the Lord?

a dumb and pretentious pile of molecules.

He gave/gives ample evidence for the humble to see and rejoyce and hope.

as to you, a fugitive glimpse of His glory would have you lose your sanity.

at the very best you would end up as lost as this poor fellow.

be grateful and enjoy the truman show's island. your pride and cowardice will keep you there.

[Siggie]

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As far as I know... same God, different times in history.

Let's not do this again...
I'm not asking what you believe. I'm saying according to the world's religions over time, are there mutually exclusive gods? The answer is yes. Therefore, there is this flaw with Pascal's gambit and besides that, there were other things I mentioned.

[KanadaHye]

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Are there mutually exclusive gods today and in history?

As far as I know... same God, different times in history.

[Siggie]

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The Abrahamic religions all refer to the same God. Christ was believed to be the son of God by local Christians while J3ws rejected Christ and the freedoms he brought to the people who were under the influence of the Roman Empire. Muslims believe that Christ was a prophet and not the son of God. So the J3ws rejected Christ at the time of his existence and Muslims rejected Christ centuries after his existence. That basically sums up 2000 years of Middle Eastern theology in a nutshell.

Are there mutually exclusive gods today and in history?

[KanadaHye]

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That's a flawed argument (originally proposed as a joke even) and assumes God would appreciate that you "believed" in him just to cover your @ss.
I think if he did exist and was a benevolent god, then he'd understand that he just didn't provide enough evidence for me to believe. At least it's honest, which is more in line with his alleged teachings (or most of humanity's concept of morality).

Also, by this argument, you should believe in all the gods of the other religions too because what if you're wrong about them? You'd already be making the incorrect wager by only believing in the Christian god by this logic.

The Abrahamic religions all refer to the same God. Christ was believed to be the son of God by local Christians while J3ws rejected Christ and the freedoms he brought to the people who were under the influence of the Roman Empire. Muslims believe that Christ was a prophet and not the son of God. So the J3ws rejected Christ at the time of his existence and Muslims rejected Christ centuries after his existence. That basically sums up 2000 years of Middle Eastern theology in a nutshell.

[Siggie]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

That's a flawed argument (originally proposed as a joke even) and assumes God would appreciate that you "believed" in him just to cover your @ss. And if he's omniscient (as most religions purpose), then he'd know the "true" believers from those that are "believing" for gain.
I think if he did exist and was a benevolent god, then he'd understand that he just didn't provide enough evidence for me to believe. At least it's honest, which is more in line with his alleged teachings (or most of humanity's concept of morality).

Also, by this argument, you should believe in all the gods of the other religions too because what if you're wrong about them? You'd already be making the incorrect wager by only believing in the Christian god by this logic. Further, it's not really that there's nothing lost from believing in a false god... what about the types that fore go medical treatment for prayer? Aren't they seeing harm as a result of their belief?

[Armanen]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

[KanadaHye]

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How long after birth?

Old enough to crawl.