Atheism and being Armenian

[Anbidan]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

The dialogue would be interesting yes, but only when we discuss matters by respecting each others’ beliefs, and not ridicule the other side just because we think we have read few more books than the others. Let’s not make it an IQ contest.

Not everyone can sense the spiritual world. It’s like a radio that can’t receive short waves or FM waves, sometimes a good antenna would help, sometimes nothing helps because that radio was not made to receive those waves. If you are happy to what your radio is receiving and not interested to receive deferent waves then it’s good for you, but don’t claim that there is nothing else there. No one can make the blind man see. We can only explain what the clouds, the rainbow, the sunrise or the sunset looks alike, it is up to him to believe it or to dismiss it saying “if I can’t see it or feel it, it does not exist”

I am interested. That's why I asked. I think this would be the starting off point for a more interesting dialogue.

[Siggie]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Why do you ask when you’re not even interested to hear the answer?

I am interested. That's why I asked. I think this would be the starting off point for a more interesting dialogue.

People who live with motto; “I’m my own hero” can’t recognize somebody/something mightier/wiser themselves, until summoned by God.

And because they ”enjoy” many things, that are prohibited by Bible/religion as a sin, but are allowed in some states, as their “democratic rights”.

Can somebody believe in a religion that bans the things he/she is carrying out regularly?

There doesn't need to be tension between us; we are not adversaries. We have probably most other things in common except this one thing. We're more alike than we are different. I just happen not to believe in god. It's really not about being my own hero, not liking the content of the religion, or anything else. It's because I simply do not have evidence for it. There is not reason to believe.

Why do you believe? Why do you think there must be a God? What convinces you of his existence? I am being completely sincere and I hope that all of you believers answer this question... Why do you believe? And please think about it a bit and give a thoughtful open answer.

[gegev]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

People who live with motto; “I’m my own hero” can’t recognize somebody/something mightier/wiser themselves, until summoned by God.

And because they ”enjoy” many things, that are prohibited by Bible/religion as a sin, but are allowed in some states, as their “democratic rights”.

Can somebody believe in a religion that bans the things he/she is carrying out regularly?

[Anbidan]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

And on what basis do you draw these conclusions?

1) God is almighty
2) God created the universe.
3) God has intelligence.

3a) God's intelligence is limitless

Why do you ask when you’re not even interested to hear the answer?

[Odysseus]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Of course they do. They created God in their image.

Exactly one of my points. Religion, and the many other abstractions of humanity are mainly based off of the selfish, egotistical and pompous reasoning that is prevalent in humanity.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

I've just noticed your latest rather dicipline-obsessed signature. If there are no bounds or limits to God's intelligence, watch out you don't get the wrong side of the Heaven coin and get an eternity of being "diciplined" in Hell.

It's probably not too far of a descent from the life I live now

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

God is the almighty creator of the universe; there are no bounds or limits to God's intelligence.

I've just noticed your latest rather dicipline-obsessed signature. If there are no bounds or limits to God's intelligence, watch out you don't get the wrong side of the Heaven coin and get an eternity of being "diciplined" in Hell.

[Siggie]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

God never wrote a bible or torah or Koran or the Greek Mythology or The story of Buddha, these were all created by the hands and minds of Men. Mankind has success in everything they have ever tried, they have never been able to leave a question unanswered.. or even unasked. But there is a limit to our "greatness" For what we do not know and can not do, must be better than us by our logic as a species. For this, we created the super beings, those who are Man, but beyond, one who's glory we can Piggy back off because they are perfect in every way that we are not. To be created in the image of Perfect beings, to be in constant dialogue and interaction with said beings, only feeds the ego of the Humans More and more. soon their short comings aren't their own fault, but it is an act of the perfect super beings, in a way to separate the humans from them. The human brain is an incredible machine, so incredible that it can lie to itself as to what "reality" is in order to protect itself. Ever seen people put through terrible psychological ordeals? in a similar fashion we bend reality and fill in the unknown gaps with things that seem comforting and that are an extension of US humans, so that we can feel powerful even in areas where we are powerless, "we are Like god and therefore if gods are powerful we are not alone or weak, they are with us because we believe, God/s are on our side therefore we are all powerful!" now you can sit here and argue with me, and tell me God is real and all this stuff. But God don't have to be false, for our faith to be selfish, for it to be a response of the ego. Religions all too conveniently put mankind on the spot light and put us up as the rulers of earth after god/s ect. It is to similar to a extreme of a self idolizing fantasy to real to me.

Of course they do. They created God in their image.

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The hell you say. Scriptures are the inspired writings of man.

So are you saying the scriptures are more or less accurate, convincing, etc because they were inspired writings of men?

God is the almighty creator of the universe; there are no bounds or limits to God's intelligence.

And on what basis do you draw these conclusions?

1) God is almighty
2) God created the universe.
3) God has intelligence.

3a) God's intelligence is limitless

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

And you two... Now you're just looking for nit-picky things to criticize because you have nothing more substantive to say.
Obviously, he's oversimplified the claim that the bible is the inspired word of god. It doesn't even change his argument in the least.
It's still circular logic that we'd never accept in other circumstances.

The hell you say. Scriptures are the inspired writings of man. God is the almighty creator of the universe; there are no bounds or limits to God's intelligence.

[Odysseus]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

God never wrote a bible or torah or Koran or the Greek Mythology or The story of Buddha, these were all created by the hands and minds of Men. Mankind has success in everything they have ever tried, they have never been able to leave a question unanswered.. or even unasked. But there is a limit to our "greatness" For what we do not know and can not do, must be better than us by our logic as a species. For this, we created the super beings, those who are Man, but beyond, one who's glory we can Piggy back off because they are perfect in every way that we are not. To be created in the image of Perfect beings, to be in constant dialogue and interaction with said beings, only feeds the ego of the Humans More and more. soon their short comings aren't their own fault, but it is an act of the perfect super beings, in a way to separate the humans from them. The human brain is an incredible machine, so incredible that it can lie to itself as to what "reality" is in order to protect itself. Ever seen people put through terrible psychological ordeals? in a similar fashion we bend reality and fill in the unknown gaps with things that seem comforting and that are an extension of US humans, so that we can feel powerful even in areas where we are powerless, "we are Like god and therefore if gods are powerful we are not alone or weak, they are with us because we believe, God/s are on our side therefore we are all powerful!" now you can sit here and argue with me, and tell me God is real and all this stuff. But God don't have to be false, for our faith to be selfish, for it to be a response of the ego. Religions all too conveniently put mankind on the spot light and put us up as the rulers of earth after god/s ect. It is to similar to a extreme of a self idolizing fantasy to real to me.