Armenian lesbians/gays

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Mos, I firmly believe that human offspring do best when they grow up in a loving community. This has been stated, and restated time and again by social scientists, psychologists, sociologists, and others. I don't like the western nuclear model and I think it is lacking on many levels. But I also don't like the traditional Armenian model where roles are rigid and everyone has an opinion about everyone else's life. That's just too enmeshed.

I think you over generalise for the Armenian model. There are bad seeds in every apple, and if you only look at the bad seeds you are going to write off the model as bad. The Western model is not really a family model to start with, that's why Western families on average are not as strong and not as cohesive. That's why there such high divorse rate and dysfunctional families. I mean in Russia, you usually have couples "marrying" late than just buying a dog and living like that. Same in Western Europe slowly.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Mos, I firmly believe that human offspring do best when they grow up in a loving community. This has been stated, and restated time and again by social scientists, psychologists, sociologists, and others. I don't like the western nuclear model and I think it is lacking on many levels. But I also don't like the traditional Armenian model where roles are rigid and everyone has an opinion about everyone else's life. That's just too enmeshed.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

In the end, Genuine Love is the best thing. Love for your wife/husband and then for your children. To be surrounded then by your family and your loved ones. When people are alone, shifting from partner to partner, from bed to bed, they can often get lost and lose purpose in life. It is this family love both conditional and unconditional that ease one's path in life, puts more purpose in one's life, and gives a better sense of direction. They can pass down their culture more easily and in all make a positive contribution to their society and people. We humans biologically need this love.

Amen!

There are many paths to achieving this love.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

In the end, Genuine Love is the best thing. Love for your wife/husband and then for your children. To be surrounded then by your family and your loved ones. When people are alone, shifting from partner to partner, from bed to bed, they can often get lost and lose purpose in life. It is this family love both conditional and unconditional that ease one's path in life, puts more purpose in one's life, and gives a better sense of direction. They can pass down their culture more easily and in all make a positive contribution to their society and people. We humans biologically need this love.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

That doesn't even make any sense. That's like saying you play a role in your own murder. I have two identities. One is male and the other is Armenian. Suppressing either of them is akin to murder.

That's a little dramatic, don't you think?

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

That doesn't even make any sense. That's like saying you play a role in your own murder.

Not really. Murder involves the removal of the victim's agency due to a power imbalance. One person has a means to kill, the other does not, or does not know to defend himself. Since emasculation happens in the context of a dyadic exchange, both parties play a part in it. Also, what you experience as emasculation may just be an attempt by your partner to assert herself in reaction to feeling powerless or feeling like things are stagnant.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

You play a role in your own emasculation.

That doesn't even make any sense. That's like saying you play a role in your own murder. I have two identities. One is male and the other is Armenian. Suppressing either of them is akin to murder.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

No you don't. I guess some people are born lucky. However, you do get to choose who you wish to start a family with and I personally don't want to start a family with someone who is against my very existence and makes me feel emasculated.

You play a role in your own emasculation.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

And what makes you think that everyone in your family group cares about you? How do you know they're not in it for their own interests? It's the difference between needing and wanting. In societies where resources are limited (or perceived to be so) family groups need to operate cohesively. But when resources aren't limited, individuals come together out of mutual attraction, things they have in common, pleasant company. You don't choose your family.

No you don't. I guess some people are born lucky. However, you do get to choose who you wish to start a family with and I personally don't want to start a family with someone who is against my very existence and makes me feel emasculated.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

How can people counter change when change is the only thing that is constant? It seems to me that you really want the world to be your way, and if it isn't the way you want it to be, you are going to have a tantrum.

I disagree with the idea that western people stay children into their 40's. Quite the opposite. It's a particular talent of some Armenian mothers to make sure their sons never separate and never grow up and have their own ideas.

You mean it's a talent they have to make sure to instill the right ideas into them before they enter the real world.