Armenian lesbians/gays

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Armenia was patriarchal long before it adopted Christianity. You don't live in Armenia and Western Asia isn't California.

While the culture of the region in many respects may leave a lot to be desired. Armenia's "gender equality issues" are about the least pressing of it's concerns.

Then you know nothing about Armenian history and Armenian society and what the role of women was in that society.

Armenian women really need to be married off at as early an age as possible and young Armenian men actively encouraged to sire far more children. Restricting emigration is pretty much a impossible task. However birth control and abortion, should be restricted to medical cases, rapes etc. All of which can be done on religious grounds.

Why is it that you want to turn Armenia, a state where you do not even live in, into Afghanistan? Why is it that people like you hate personal freedom?

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Why is it that people like you hate personal freedom?

Because people like him can't imagine having anything that isn't at the expense of another person. They don't have a sophisticatd enough thought process that allows everyone equal access to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And they want a nation basically populated by others who, due to lack of education and opportunity, are unable to push back.

[ADandelion]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I was not under the impression that there were major women's rights issues to be addressed in Armenia. If I am mistaken, would anyone care to inform me as to what the situation is?

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

By allegiance to oneself, I mean that the individual is to be placed at the forefront of any group. Placing the individual before the group means giving them the right to choose their priorities. My personal belief if that the interest of the individual takes precedence over the interest of the collective, the purpose of the collective, or a nation if you will, is a way of preserving and enhancing the lives of the individuals it contains. The nation's existence is not an end to itself; it exists solely to serve its people.

Patriotism is the allegiance to one's nation. Armenia's past has led its people to be scattered across much of the world, and as a result Armenians have formed their own regional communities where they would otherwise be uprooted and alienated. Those communities exist becasue the people find them to be beneficial, not because they feel a motivation to preserve that community out of a sense of loyalty, and compromise their own position for the purpose of maintaining that collective.

Yes but such diaspora communities have maintained allegiance to their nation, people, and culture and thus been able to preserve their communities over time. With such allegiance to your culture and nation, assimilation will come at a much higher rate and unity of the nation will be broken.

Armenian women really need to be married off at as early an age as possible and young Armenian men actively encouraged to sire far more children. Restricting emigration is pretty much a impossible task. However birth control and abortion, should be restricted to medical cases, rapes etc. All of which can be done on religious grounds.

Well we can't really force that, but it definitely should be encouraged at a governmental level (incentives) for marriages to occur and also children to be produced. By restricting emigration you need to ban for example Russian government from encouraging men to go to Russia for labour work. More jobs need to be created in Armenia.

I agree that such restrictions need to be made to birth control and abortion. I believe Ireland even bans abortions (and they are part of the EU!).

[retro]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Well we can't really force that, but it definitely should be encouraged at a governmental level (incentives) for marriages to occur and also children to be produced. By restricting emigration you need to ban for example Russian government from encouraging men to go to Russia for labour work. More jobs need to be created in Armenia.

I agree that such restrictions need to be made to birth control and abortion. I believe Ireland even bans abortions (and they are part of the EU!).

The reality is that Armenia needs it's Russian remittances and the global economic situation is still very difficult. Armenia's socio-economic problems are partly due to the nations land-locked geography and secuity situation. Since Armenia's closed borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan limit it's access to regional markets.

Yes, abortion in Ireland is still illegal (unless a woman's life is endangered) and contraception was illegal there from 1935 until 1980. Which is partly why 40% of Ireland's population are still under the age of 25. In Catholicism their was also really no divorce in the past. Well at least not without being completely disgraced and ostracized.

If you think that Armenians are prone to emigration. They are nothing compared to Irish and that crowd are like a flock of birds!

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

The reality is that Armenia needs it's Russian remittances and the global economic situation is still very difficult. Armenia's socio-economic problems are partly due to the nations land-locked geography and secuity situation. Since Armenia's closed borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan limit it's access to regional markets.

Yes, abortion in Ireland is still illegal (unless a woman's life is endangered) and contraception was illegal there from 1935 until 1980. Which is partly why 40% of Ireland's population are still under the age of 25. In Catholicism their was also really no divorce in the past. Well at least not without being completely disgraced and ostracized.

If you think that Armenians are prone to emigration. They are nothing compared to Irish and that crowd are like a flock of birds!

Of course, the border situations contribute a lot. And Armenia is very dependent on remittances. I believe though the IT sector has a lot of potential in Armenia, including other such skilled labour. We need to build an economy that is not reliant on Turkey/Azerbaijan borders being opened. We need to be very self-sustaining.

I think Armenian society was heavily liberalised/secularised during era of Soviet Union, part of the reason that the debate on banning abortion or not is minimal. Though people don't understand how it hurts our demographics especially sex selection abortion.

[gegev]

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... Why is it that people like you hate personal freedom?

Is the personal freedom, as you understand it; right of doing anti-Christian/religion things; like homosexual marriages and/or for the girls; having sex with hundreds of men, to get experienced, before marriage or something else? I see you are a Great expert in everything.

The only thing, I really appreciate in KarotheGreat; is his avatar. Which, in fact, has nothing to do with ...

[Sip]

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for the girls; having sex with hundreds of men, to get experienced, before marriage ...

??? Has anyone ever said ANYTHING like this on this forum? Where do you get this stuff? Or was that supposed to be a joke?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Is the personal freedom, as you understand it; right of doing anti-Christian/religion things; like homosexual marriages and/or for the girls; having sex with hundreds of men, to get experienced, before marriage or something else? I see you are a Great expert in everything.

The only thing, I really appreciate in KarotheGreat; is his avatar. Which, in fact, has nothing to do with ...

Did anyone here even suggest these things? Or are you really bad at reading what other people write?

The funniest thing is that some people are trying to force Christian ideals on a people that don't want them. When you have two different words for a believer and a Christian, one of them being something negative, you know that those people don't want your Christian values.

[ADandelion]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

The question isn't whether we want Armenians to fall in love with the same sex, or never get married with their life partner, or to sleep with hundreds of people; the question is whether THEY want it. It's not other people's call to make. To police the morality of consenting adults is to insult their autonomy.

Personally, and I would add this on the 'should Armenian girls stay virgins until marriage' thread, but it seems to be closed, I find the idea of sex as something to be dictated by public consensus archaic. Adults may sleep with whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. Now, as to the question of whether they SHOULD, sex is such an integral part of human nature that to repress it and stigmatize it, to speak about it as something forbidden and shameful, is to deny the very basic in us.

Which isn't to say that it's morally valid to sleep around. But if every time you want to sleep with someone you find yourself hating your own mind for it, then that is unhealthy; no one should have to live that way. To encourage responsible sexual activity, the best thing to do is to instill good decision-making skills and a cool head in young people, to make them approach sex carefully but not fearfully. Then if they do choose to have sex, it will be most likely in a loving monogamous relationship, where both parties don't feel prosecuted by society for the manifestation of their love.