Armenian lesbians/gays

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Simply because true Armenians are born Armenian and die Armenian. If marriage was never in the cards, they don't force it. It's better to be single and remain who you are than to mix into oblivion. I know many older single men and women that are actively involved in Armenian communities helping with events or teaching or involved in church organizations. Marriage doesn't guarantee happiness nor should be forced as some sort of passage through phases of life.

I'm sorry but this just doesn't make any sense. I still don't know what a true Armenian is supposed to be or look like. I, too, know such older, single individuals, and not all of them are happy, and they are often looked upon with pity by others.

Marriage isn't for everyone. And no marriage is better than a bad one. But as an Armenian, you are told that marrying and having children are your destiny, and if that doesn't happen, it is a tremendous blow to one's of esteem and happiness in life.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I'm sorry but this just doesn't make any sense. I still don't know what a true Armenian is supposed to be or look like. I, too, know such older, single individuals, and not all of them are happy, and they are often looked upon with pity by others.

Marriage isn't for everyone. And no marriage is better than a bad one. But as an Armenian, you are told that marrying and having children are your destiny, and if that doesn't happen, it is a tremendous blow to one's of esteem and happiness in life.

Again, that's because we no longer think as a community. Don't you think the most unselfish act someone could do is devote their life to teaching or volunteering? If you notice, people nowadays are so pressured to have it all that they have no time for anyone else.

Also I agree that there is tremendous pressure to get married and have children but this is only due to our low dwindling population.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

As for a relationship, I don't know what your definition of a relationship is, but based off of mine it's far from being a pastime. When I hear people describe their significant others as 'funny, cute, and the sex is great', I find myself wondering '... that's it?'

To me, a relationship is the natural result when two people fall in love with one another. Not two people who share a friendship augmenting it with physical intimacy, or a regular series of get-togethers based off of a common desire to find someone. You are with that person because they are the ONLY person you want to be involved with romantically, not because they have qualities you find positive and nothing better is available at the moment. A relationship is valid when being away from that person hurts you, because you feel you are missing a part of yourself in their absence. It is NOT something you give up for someone wealthier, or more beautiful, or from a better family.

Thus, by definition, I do not consider what many people in the US do to be a relationship. If that is what you mean, then that I can agree with. If a relationship is a mutual commitment based off of being in love with one another, that might or might not include sex, then I can't imagine how such a rich experience is immature or a waste of time if it's approached in a thoughtful and sincere way.

Thanks for putting my thoughts into words, lol.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I still don't know what a true Armenian is supposed to be or look like.

Are you still searching for yourself?

[ADandelion]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

KanadaHye, if you and I have the same vision of what a relationship is, then let me assure you that there are plenty of other people in the West that share our frustration with what we perceive to be a shallow fulfillment of something beautiful and sacred.

To give the act of involvement in a relationship the honor it deserves, however, doesn't mean one has to go into it with a limited set of criteria or endgoal in mind. An amazing relationship might not end in a marriage, and if you feel you have gained something precious from it, good memories, a deep bond with a person, wisdom, whatever it may be, then that relationship was worthwhile.

I also think I understand now why you embrace purity, morals, and the family unit so much. They act as the most seemingly consistent model for the like of life that you seek, the kinds of emotions you wish to experience. But I've seen that kind of devotion and happiness occur the most when a couple is open with one another with what they want out of life, and find they're in a kind of agreement between souls that makes the other person the ideal partner to go through that adventure with.

For you, the goal in life with a woman is devotion, commitment, putting those you love before yourself, and that is entirely admirable. The person who you're looking for, who will make you happy, will embody those qualities, but perhaps not in the way you expect. That might mean that she is foreign, that she loves living in an outside culture, that she has had sex before out of devotion to someone, that she is outspoken for the causes she believes in and fights for, or it might mean none of those things. But that character will be there, reflected in her actions in some way.

I understand your desire to find a life partner and to have children by them perfectly well. You haven't been able to find that amongst Armenian women that you met, because they don't value what you do and what you perceive that I do. But there are plenty of women who do. My advice would be to expand your boundaries, and to not look at what these women are doing, but WHY. Because what might seem like a disgraceful upheaval of morals to you might be a very courageous and thoughtful act on her part in an attempt to better her society, and what might seem like an ideal fulfillment of Armenian expectations are the passive meanderings of a woman who was too cowardly to tell anyone what she really wants out of life.

[bell-the-cat]

An (Armenian) Psychiatrist Psychologist Writes

This is so funny I have to post it.



PSYCHOLOGIST: "THE ISSUE OF HOMOSEXUALISM IS ARTIFICIALLY MADE WORSE IN ARMENIA FROM OUTSIDE"

http://www.yerkirmedia.am/?act=news&lan=en&id=7300

17:16 . 23/05

The noise over homosexuals that rose suddenly has lasted more than
a week. No one understood why suddenly the fire at DIY club became
number one news among the crimes and violence acts which occur every
day. Irrespective of the reasons, this was a fine advertisement
and propaganda.

The issue was discussed from moral, legal and medical points of view.

Specialists say homosexualism is an illness, but very often it
emerges artificially-not biological but external factors contribute
to spreading homosexulism.

"It is one of the forms of the world's collapse. Birth rate decreases
drastically and a fight is taking place from top against overpopulation
of the planet. But for such a small country like Armenia, this is an
issue of security. If 10, 000 youth become homosexuals and even if
they adopt children let alone the fact they don't have children, it is
most likely their child will also become a homosexual," psychologist
Samvel Khudoyan said.

Science speaks about homosexualism with "ifs". They say it is an
incurable illness, though homosexuals don't turn to doctors to be
cured. Psychiatrist Samvel Sukiasyan is sure that in Armenia this
issue is artificially made worse from outside.

"If they speak about pedophilia, the object of sexual desires in
this case is a child. All condemn this, but when the object is a
representative of the same sex, the world says they are different,
it is their right. A question rises: why does this happen?" the
psychologist says.

Two towns, Sodom and Gomorrah were ruined because of such a moral
decline, priest Ter Chmavon Ghevondyan reminds. He says the church
is ready to help anyone who faces such a problem, but so far no one
has asked for help.

"A healthy family is the means for preventing this. The greater
the presence of the church and God in people's lives, the less such
kinds of dirt and their development," Surb Hovhannes Church priest
Ter Shmavon Ghevondyan said.

Should we be tolerant or not? This is the question mostly voiced
on these days. Everyone, including homosexuals, has an inviolable
right of private life. But everyone has also the right to be free
from obvious propaganda of homosexualism.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Are you still searching for yourself?

In some ways yes. In some ways no.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Are you still searching for yourself?

haha I still don't understand what that means.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I have known many western families that are cohesive. But, having studied family systems psychology, what is clear to me is that any family has to work to strike a balance between cohesiveness and individuation. Too much of either and someone is going to become symptomatic.

I know many people who would do better to raise dogs than to parent children, so maybe settling down with a partner and a pet isn't such a terrible thing.

It's a shame that people will be better at raising dogs than children. It means that culture of raising kids successfully is eroding. People somehow become scared of raising kids and in my view some of those people are just to concerned with themselves and their own joys than bring to this world some nice children. They rather have a "good time" than dedicate time to their loved ones. In my view, there's something wrong with that mindset. In Western culture, family is becoming more and more of a negative thing, in a way people start looking down at such family people and instead glorify the people that just spend time on themselves.

[KanadaHye]

Re: An (Armenian) Psychiatrist Psychologist Writes

This is so funny I have to post it.



PSYCHOLOGIST: "THE ISSUE OF HOMOSEXUALISM IS ARTIFICIALLY MADE WORSE IN ARMENIA FROM OUTSIDE"

http://www.yerkirmedia.am/?act=news&lan=en&id=7300

17:16 . 23/05


Should we be tolerant or not? This is the question mostly voiced
on these days. Everyone, including homosexuals, has an inviolable
right of private life. But everyone has also the right to be free
from obvious propaganda of homosexualism.

I agree with the above statement