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  • Re: War in The Middle East

    Originally posted by Armenian
    I missed this one:

    I suggest you take a good look around and you will see how "otaramol" we Armenians are. Remember the term otaramol, remember Tunot? I don't understand why you are arguing this obvious point I made. Do you think Armenians would accept the idea that non-Armenians are biologically and spiritually lesser than us? Do you think Armenians have deep hate and paranoia towards non-Armenians? Please dont argue this issue, just go out and observe Armenians in their natural habitat.

    Oh, and in Israel non-J-e-w-s are essentially second class citizens, simple laborers. I suggest you speak to one who has lived there or visited there. Israel is a theocracy. How many Armenians would support the idea of a theocratic rule in Armenia, where all otars get put into a 'lesser' catagory? I recommend you read Israel Shahak's excellent book: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/xxxhis.htm

    Thats funny. Can you please list how many evictions, pogroms and massacres we Armenians have suffered at the hands of Europeans, Arabs, Russian, Iranians, etc. I suggest you don't bring into this conversation thousand year old political issues that existed between the Armenian nation and various surrounding powers. I also suggest we stay away from the 'skinhead' problems in Russia. In reality, our only problem has been Turkic. Nonetheless, even within the Ottoman Empire Armenians were very well respected and well liked. Our Turkish problem essentially developed about a hundred years ago.

    Armenians, as a people, reached the highest status within all nations they dwelt in - Persia, Rome, Byzantium, Medieval Georgia, Medieval Poland, Ottoman Empire, Arab Caliphate, Safavid Persia, Crusader States, Russia, France, Soviet Union. America, etc. Thus, we were accepted by Muslims, Christians, Pagans, Bolsheviks, westerns and eastern alike - unlike you know who. If you want, I can post a veeeeeeeeeeeeery long list of all the nations, all the dates, where J-e-w-s were chased out and/or massacred by westerners, easterners, Christians, Muslims and Pagans.

    What you have done is drawn arbitrary boundaries as to what is or is not an acceptable comparison.

    The reality is that being otaramol has nothing to do with Armenian ethnocentricism that is very much alive and thank God it is, within many Armenians. The two exist exlusively, and if it had not been for those xenophobes and ethnocentrics we would not be alive and be nothing but diluted Turks and tunots. That isn't the point. Turks are non-Armenians and many Armenians have deep hatred towards Turks and with good reason. The truth is everyone has deep hate towards someone or other, at some point or other, with different degrees. And why is the example of skinheads in Russia attacking Armenians not a good example to bring in? Why is it that Armenians are being targeted? You ascribe the reasons as to why Joos have historically been targeted as things they have done, as nothing is without a reason, yet if we apply the similar logic, why do you think Armenians in Russia are being targeted? You think it is without reason and that Armenians were being angels and all of a sudden were attacked? Could it be that they engaged in certain things, or who knows what, that displeased the locals?

    And believe me, I know all that you know about Israel, Khazars, Israel Shahak, Benjamin Freedman, the Holocaust or past U.S. Presidents who have been Joos, or the Doenmeh Loos that made the Young Turk movement possible, or the famous Rabbi ben Yohai I believe who stated that a million Arabs are not worth a Jooish fingernail, etc. It means nothing. All we have done is lay here and expose Joos on a one way street. Now I don't know if you like a one way discussion of nothing more than exposing Joos and Israel, and I don't know if I am playing devil's advocate or not, but I believe it is essential to include context.

    When I pointed out that Islam is a similar religion like Judaism in terms of its self-centered nature and egoism and arrogance, you justified that by claiming that historically Arabs have been good to Armenians, and our problem has been a Turkic one. While this is accurate for most of history but it ignores history prior. Do you forget that even before the Turks that Arabs conquered and ruled Armenia under Islam and Armenians were second class and that many a beautiful Armenian woman became wives to these sultans? The point is, Islam is no different than Judaism, yet you have argued that Judaism is evil and promotes hatred of non-Joos, yet praised Arabs and Hezbollah, when these are the precise organizations that preach similar things. Now I am no dope and I do believe that almost all of Hezbollah and Hamas is a reaction to American and Israeli aggression, but beyond that, independently and of themselves, if these Islamic groups achieve power, they will impose it on everyone including you for being a heathen.
    Last edited by Anonymouse; 07-27-2006, 07:03 PM.
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    • Re: War in The Middle East

      Originally posted by transience


      Greater Israel (also Complete Land of Israel, Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה, Eretz Yisrael Hashlemah) is an irredentist term that denotes historical and Biblical boundaries of the Land of Israel.

      Greater Israel is like Greater Armenia, a pipe dream. Israel doesn't possess nowhere near the amount of people needed to fill those lands and if they venture off they will thin their lines and be victims of insurgents and Arabs or Islamic revolutionaries.
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      • Re: War in The Middle East

        Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land

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        • Re: War in The Middle East

          Greater Israel is like Greater Armenia, a pipe dream. Israel doesn't possess nowhere near the amount of people needed to fill those lands and if they venture off they will thin their lines and be victims of insurgents and Arabs or Islamic revolutionaries.
          Our aspirations for Western Armenia are much more justified (morally, and to some extent, legally) than the creation of Greater Israel or even the state of Israel itself.

          Western Armenia is also a form of punishment to Turkey which committed the Crime. The state of Israel isn't, because Arabs didn't commit the Holocaust.

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          • Re: War in The Middle East

            Originally posted by Davo88
            Our aspirations for Western Armenia are much more justified (morally, and to some extent, legally) than the creation of Greater Israel or even the state of Israel itself. Western Armenia is also a form of punishment to Turkey which committed the Crime. The state of Israel isn't, because Arabs didn't commit the Holocaust.
            Bravo.
            Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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            • Re: War in The Middle East

              Anonymouse, do you still think the Ashkenazim descend from the Turkic Khazars? I mentioned it to an Israeli a few days ago and he responded with "That's crap."

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              • Re: War in The Middle East

                Originally posted by Anonymouse
                Greater Israel is like Greater Armenia, a pipe dream. Israel doesn't possess nowhere near the amount of people needed to fill those lands and if they venture off they will thin their lines and be victims of insurgents and Arabs or Islamic revolutionaries.
                Greater Armenia is essential for our long term survival as a viable nation within the region. What's more, unlike the Zionist State of Israel, we Armenians have a legal, spiritual and ideological right to the land in question. Although we are in no position to seek our western lands as of now, we nonetheless, must keep its memory alive within our hearts and minds. I also realize that we can only liberate the land through armed conflict. Geopolitics change all the time, I am sure we will one day be able to liberate western Armenia.
                Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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                • Re: War in The Middle East

                  Originally posted by transience
                  Anonymouse, do you still think the Ashkenazim descend from the Turkic Khazars? I mentioned it to an Israeli a few days ago and he responded with "That's crap."
                  Its only partially true. However, most xxxs know nothing about it, and the few who do simply think its Nazi propaganda.
                  Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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                  • Re: War in The Middle East

                    actually that stupid war is kinda good for some reason... for many years joos moved silently under the cover of other nations while living among them and now they have their own country and their azzes exposed for good.. nothing will be same from now on for them..many people see whats going on and thanx to media which is used by joos to brainwash us now backfiring..i can give myself as an example.. i dont like arabs much and i was thinking that joos was doing good kicking their azzes but because of those events and the links you posted here now i know better..think about the people like me..we will never see joos as we have been seeing them before...

                    i think hamas and hizbullah is very important ( doesnt prove that they are good) because they are the only opposition... and i believe hamas is as fanatic as joos can go... its like armenians being fanatic (still not fanatic enough) about turks... i dont blame armenians so i think i have no right to blame hamas

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                    • Re: War in The Middle East

                      Originally posted by Armenian
                      Its only partially true. However, most xxxs know nothing about it, and the few who do simply think its Nazi propaganda.

                      are you saying that we are some kinda cousins or something?

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