Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

[Siggie]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Traditional can refer to women prior to the advent of 90210, Friends, Seinfeld and Sex and the City. Basically, brainwashing has a lot to do with it.

I dunno... 20s were very lax and free and 50s and 60s were the opposite.
Anyway, I don't think he meant that as the definition of traditional because then everyone after the 90s would be non-traditional.
But this is neither here nor there... my mostly rhetorical question was do these "traditional women" (however defined) not think it's important or do they just not discuss it? Basically, I'm highlighting a measurement problem.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

I dunno... 20s were very lax and free and 50s and 60s were the opposite.

I wouldn't say things were lax for people on the other side of the world who were living on the stomping grounds of WWI.

The roaring 20's in America was similar to what America did after the 9/11 incident.. lent out easy credit and free money to people so they wouldn't have to worry about the hardships of life. This was followed by the stock market crash of 1929 which led to the Great Depression.

So using the American model for happiness, one can conclude that disposable income = better sex?

[Siggie]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

I wouldn't say things were lax for people on the other side of the world who were living on the stomping grounds of WWI.

The roaring 20's in America was similar to what America did after the 9/11 incident.. lent out easy credit and free money to people so they wouldn't have to worry about the hardships of life. This was followed by the stock market crash of 1929 which led to the Great Depression.

So using the American model for happiness, one can conclude that disposable income = better sex?

You can't just pick one thing and attribute to that at the exclusion of everything else. Let's not get side-tracked though... This isn't relevant. You only brought it up seeking to define something that didn't need defining for the point.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

I dunno... 20s were very lax and free and 50s and 60s were the opposite.
Anyway, I don't think he meant that as the definition of traditional because then everyone after the 90s would be non-traditional.

When referring to "the times" it's important to remember what part of the world you're referring to.

Have you taken a look at how un-traditional the world has become since the 90's? However, there will be order out of chaos, it's in the works.

But this is neither here nor there... my mostly rhetorical question was do these "traditional women" (however defined) not think it's important or do they just not discuss it? Basically, I'm highlighting a measurement problem.

They don't discuss it because people's personal lives shouldn't be a subject of discussion. It's "amot" and that's not just an Armenian term, there are certain aspects of life which traditional societies defined to be shameful.

[Siggie]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

They don't discuss it because people's personal lives shouldn't be a subject of discussion. It's "amot" and that's not just an Armenian term, there are certain aspects of life which traditional societies defined to be shameful.

Between a couple?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Between a couple?

No, during a threesome. I'm using Azad's approach with this topic.

[levon]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

You need to be taught to think whether or not you're content matters? It doesn't matter if you enjoy it, you do it to please your husband and/or to have children anyway?
As men, do you really not care whether she enjoys it?
Or is it that "traditional women" are simply taught to not discuss it?

And how do you know traditional women don't enjoy it. We'll just never know because as KanadaHye says, some things are meant to stay between a couple.

Because they'd rather stay with you than make more money?

Sex is almost always payed for. The difference with the prostitute is that the payment is negotiated and made upfront. When sex is not with a prostitute, it appears free but comes with the possibility of a relationship, marriage, divorce, child support, alimony, domestic violence and rape charges. Sometimes it's good to negotiate the payment upfront, makes things that much more simple.

I thought it was so they can go out to dinner and catch a show after you were done. By the way, I think the movie Pretty Woman glamorized prostitution and made all women legit don't you? lol

lol. Well, if a prostitute can be hitched by a well off wealthy guy, then what's the point of holding out.

[KanadaHye]

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I respect the fact that one may choose to wait but I don't think it's something that should be forced upon them. Also, I dislike the double standard that men can be with however many women they want but once a woman has been with a few men she is a "$lut", etc.
I wonder, if a woman was raped, would she still seem "unpure" for some men? I would suppose so...
Some men also believe that they are expected to be more experienced than women and that they are the ones who are supposed to "share" their experience with women.

A woman who was raped might be horrified about the experience have psychological issues in the future that would make her resent her sexuality. The reason for the double standard in the Armenian community is that men can experience sex without a relationship (with women who are obviously far from virgin) but girls can't and those that do lose their virginity to a guy who had no intentions for commitment feel cheated and develop psychological issues towards men. The issue with virginity among women isn't about the physical aspects but the mental aspects that develop. Granted some women are stronger in this regard but the overall psychological effect of being cheated usually develops into personality disorders. Most Armenian parents allow their boys to experience the world and at the same time protect the girls from the world. This is usually accepted by both parents.

[Siggie]

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the overall psychological effect of being cheated usually develops into personality disorders.

I would love to see data to this effect because in all my psychological training, this is the first time I'm hearing this.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

I would love to see data to this effect because in all my psychological training, this is the first time I'm hearing this.

It's something men can pick up on, they don't teach it in psychology.