Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

[Sip]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Here's the cliffsnotes:

Kanadahye: Premarital sex is immoral.
Siggie: Premarital sex is not immoral.

Me: I agree with Siggie.

[Siggie]

Re: Armenians and sex: what's your opinion?

Here's the cliffsnotes:

In this instance, I believe they'd be SipNotes.

Kanadahye: Premarital sex is immoral.

It sounded to me that this is what he was saying too, but then he said "it's not" when I asked him how it was immoral. Perhaps he's not sure what he means and that's why we got stalled?

[KanadaHye]

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Here's the cliffsnotes:

Kanadahye: Premarital sex is immoral.
Siggie: Premarital sex is not immoral.

Me: I agree with Siggie.

What I said was there is no such thing as premarital sex. Sex is traditionally the act which consummates the marriage. Marriage is a sacrament where a couple confesses and makes vows in front of witnesses (better or worse till death do us part). Since these practices are obsolete by western standards then there is no such thing as marriage. What we see today are couples conforming to government laws which don't allow couples to freely live together (common law). None of this sh!t matters since a poverty stricken nation can sit there and scratch their heads as to why they are poor (culturally, morally and financially).

[Jinx]

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That is very interesting, I actually have Brave New World sitting on my desk waiting to be read. Now that its summer time I'll finally be able to get to it. Still, I think you guys read a little too much into my response. When all I'm saying is that in a western liberal democracy its strange to still see people condemning premarital sex, it's a little bit of over kill to suddenly jump to talking about quantum physics.

[KanadaHye]

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It's sad the most Armenian girls think though "oh im sure he'll love me more if im pure"...C'mon now, is this really what your parents have been bashing into your minds?? Say what you want, but making a girl believe sex before marriage is some outright sin, is just sad.

I know an Armenian guy that married a girl he knew because she was pregnant and the biological father left her. She wasn't Armenian but he chose to do something honorable and father the child. Perhaps he thought she would appreciate him down the road. For whatever reason, they are still married today (well over 10 years). Armenian men aren't necessarily hung up on virginity but the attitude that comes with being "rebellious" just in spite of their parents.

[gegev]

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would any guys on this forum be ina serious relationship with someone who was not a virgin?

Most guys in Armenia will consider the "girl" as a cheep, not expensive, target of having sex free of charge, not marriage - 99%.

Asking this kind of questions in Armenia will put you in a ridiculous situation.


If you don't believe come and ask the question:
before having sex; the guy, if it is his first sex session, would promise to marry you,
but after that, you wouldn't see him any more or will be refused strictly.

Some Armenian guys are going to Russia just for having several sex sessions with such girls.

And that's all the relationship!!!

[KanadaHye]

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Some Armenian guys are going to Russia just for having several sex sessions with such girls.

And that's all the relationship!!!

That's precisely the problem. They can only afford cheap women

[gegev]

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That's precisely the problem. They can only afford cheap women

Prostitutes, you know, are too expensive (my friend told me that a session with Kim will cost you about $50,000) and too unsafe. Therefore there are no other affordable choices for the young boys to explore ...

[KanadaHye]

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Prostitutes, you know, are too expensive (my friend told me that a session with Kim will cost you about $50,000) and too unsafe. Therefore there are no other affordable choices for the young boys to explore ...

$50,000 is cheap!!! The sucker that's "marrying" her paid a $1,000,000 just for the ring. He's 26 and a basketball player so it doesn't surprise me.... grown children getting paid to throw a ball into a net.

[Siggie]

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Prostitutes, you know, are too expensive (my friend told me that a session with Kim will cost you about $50,000) and too unsafe. Therefore there are no other affordable choices for the young boys to explore ...

$50,000 is cheap!!! The sucker that's "marrying" her paid a $1,000,000 just for the ring. He's 26 and a basketball player so it doesn't surprise me.... grown children getting paid to throw a ball into a net.

So a woman who has had sex at all (regardless of pattern of activity or circumstances) is cheap and basically good only as a cheap alternative to a prostitute? No, that's not an extreme view at all.

Let's assume we adjust the definition of loose women to actually apply to promiscuous women (less extreme standard)...
Wouldn't it be better for all to have education about sex and teach responsible practices, etc than to go on this way and have men go to the town wh0re or Russian prostitutes or whatever? Are the men not "dirty" in this scenario? Indiscriminate and reckless? They're going to go expose themselves to disease and then transmit it as a gift to their virgin bride on their wedding night? "Hey, baby... Wait til I show you the skills (and herpes) I picked up practicing with my favorite Russian prostitute " Give me a moment while I swoon at the romance and thoughtfulness.

Alternatively, some guys might recognize this risk, but a society that views premarital sex this way motivates unethical behavior for them too. It makes it a more appealing option to find a girl to "con" as Gegev described: promise to marry her, sleep with her, and then discard her like spent single-use batteries or something. And are these guys going to be honest about this?

And what does it encourage for the girls? Honesty? No... They are motivated to engage in practices that would leave the hymen intact. These are risky behaviors as well; we know anal is riskier and with oral people don't tend to use any protection. Then of course, they would deny any of this.
Then there's the other women who have their hymens surgically recreated... Either way, the outcome is denial and lies. And that works fine for them because all anyone's interested in is a bloody bed sheet.


This kind of behavior is far more morally reprehensible than a woman who has sex inside a committed monogamous long-term relationship.