The 5 secrets to a Successful Relationship

[surferarmo]

Here's an example. I have a career in mind for the near future, that's going to take a buttload of time, work, and dedication. That being said, I also plan to get married some day and have kids. Now who do you think is going to take care of the housework and kids, the husband??? I think not.

EXACTLY. These are all things that YOU want and we have to put up with. And do you think the freakin housework makes your partner's life more fun or enjoyable? NO. Constantly using "the kids" or any other nonsense you wanna invent so you can do anything but what your boyfriend/husband needs. We constantly put up and do things that you want us to, but when its time for you to do something it's "immature"or "stupid." Well that is sooooo convinient, that way you're always the hero and not the selfish person you really are.

Oh stop it with the bullxxxx. You're making the guy look like the victim. If you don't like it, why get involved in it in the first place? Last time I checked, most people don't get married with a gun to their head. You're just validating what I implied, that guys don't like responsibility.

If I'm being too quick to judge, please do tell. What is it that YOU guys want, huh?

Some of what he is saying is true. Girls complaing that house work is hard, and soo stressful. It is, believe me I know what my mother went through raising four kids and having a college degree. But look at what my father goes through. My dad, goes to work 9 to 5, then comes home, does paper work, pays bills, helps his kids with their homework, and helps my mom with house work and dishes.

So he does BOTH, and so does my mom. This is why I disagree with the feminist movement. It made a "girls are better than boys" fight. I believe that both responsibilities are great in scope, not one is better than the other. The father makes the money, the mother allocates it. My mom raised us, my dad drove to work. Both are very important. What good is making money, if the kids go and shoot up a school? And, what are you going to do without food on the table?

Surfer, you are living in the world of yesterday, when the father was the breadwinner, and the mother was the sweet housewife. Face it, the proportion of girls and guys in most colleges is 1:1 nowadays. So don't tell me that, oh, the father still does more. You're lucky in that you have a good father who doesn't oppose sharing the responsiblities equally with your mother. And c'mon, doing the paperwork and bills is not that hard. Believe me, I know, I do that part in my household. My point is, in this day and age, there are families where the mother earns more than the father, as will be the likely case in my family if everything goes according to plan *fingers crossed*. Hope you understand what I'm saying.

Of course. I totally understand what you are saying, and I KNOW that I am lucky. The thing is I just used a traditional example to illustrate the arguement that you and patlajan were having. Your arguements assumed a traditional old fashioned household. But my question is...what is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with that. There is if the father is acting like he has control just because he makes the money. I did not grow up in a household like that, and though some people do, not EVERYONE does.

I understand you speak from experience, but not everyone lives the way you did, or I did.

[sSsflamesSs]

Of course. I totally understand what you are saying, and I KNOW that I am lucky. The thing is I just used a traditional example to illustrate the arguement that you and patlajan were having. Your arguements assumed a traditional old fashioned household. But my question is...what is wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with that. There is if the father is acting like he has control just because he makes the money. I did not grow up in a household like that, and though some people do, not EVERYONE does.

I understand you speak from experience, but not everyone lives the way you did, or I did.

Surfer, you totally misunderstood me. My family situation has nothing to do with this thread. What I was saying is that in modern day, the mother is as much of a breadwinner as the father, and in some cases, even more so. That being said, she also has the responsiblity of taking care of household chores and the kids, which believe me, is NOT an easy task, especially the kids.

[jahannam]

you guys are straying....
gamats gamats 8)
be careful!

[surferarmo]

you guys are straying....
gamats gamats 8)
be careful!

My mom says that when I drive one mile below the speed limit.

[jahannam]

so you're half beirutsee 8)

[Anonymouse]

Women are only good for two things, fellatio and cooking.

[surferarmo]

the mother is as much of a breadwinner as the father, and in some cases, even more so

You're dreaming. Women never marry a man who has less earning potential than them.

What Pat is saying is true. And if you believe it isnt, that is the way most guys feel.

[Anonymouse]

Truth is, when I see a woman with a BMW or a Mercedes, I ask to myself, "I wonder what man bought that for them..."

[sSsflamesSs]

the mother is as much of a breadwinner as the father, and in some cases, even more so

You're dreaming. Women never marry a man who has less earning potential than them.

What Pat is saying is true. And if you believe it isnt, that is the way most guys feel.

OK guys, thinking that all girls are 'gold-diggers' is not a healthy habit. Dang, you caught me! Yea, I wouldn't go for someone without so much as an education and future, but that doesn't mean that I am going to fall for his paycheck and not him. Yes, there are those girls that are infatuated with money, but those girls are stupid. Money has a tendency to run out and cause trouble. Maybe I'm a rare case, but I don't plan on being financially dependent on anyone. I learned some things that most people won't learn until it's too late, but hey, I guess it makes me stronger. But seriously guys, don't stress yourselves out by thinking that ALL girls are bloodsuckers.

For the forum girls: I'm dissappointed in you all. I'm up against a group of guys, and you don't have the heart to join in on the argument . But whatever, this IS a forum, believe what you want to believe.

[jahannam]

wow patlajan dear.. you sound like you've been cheated on and mistreated overall!!
don't be givin up so fast...
you don't have ONE need... you just consider that the most important to you. once you're with a girl for reasons other than sex, you'll know what i'm talking about.
having said that.. I really wonder how old you are...

and Flames... I'm here... I'm sorry I left you alone with the guys for a while(sometimes I wish EYE was alone with 3 guys, but anyway lol)... 8)