Vaccinations (Countering the misinformation of Anti-Vaxx Movement)

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

I got the smallpox vaccine at age 2. I know of countless others who got it at various ages as well. I don't know of a single complication.
This is anecdotal, however your numbers aren't much more informative.

You're also citing the number of deaths from the disease at a time when the disease was widely administered. That number would be reduced by the effectiveness of the disease. How about the numbers BEFORE the vaccine? You also conveniently omitted the majority of the about.com article which said positive things. Then you quote a quack alternative medicine, natural medicine, junk-science site for the information saying the vaccine was harmful.

Smallpox Vaccine Safety

The smallpox vaccine is the best protection you can get if you are exposed to the smallpox virus. Anyone directly exposed to smallpox, regardless of health status, would be offered the smallpox vaccine because the risks associated with smallpox disease are far greater than those posed by the vaccine.

There are side effects and risks associated with the smallpox vaccine. Most people experience normal, usually mild reactions that include a sore arm, fever, and body aches. However, other people experience reactions ranging from serious to life-threatening. People most likely to have serious side effects are: people who have had, even once, skin conditions (especially eczema or atopic dermatitis) and people with weakened immune systems, such as those who have received a transplant, are HIV positive, are receiving treatment for cancer, or are currently taking medications (like steroids) that suppress the immune system. In addition, pregnant women should not get the vaccine because of the risk it poses to the fetus. Women who are breastfeeding should not get the vaccine. Children younger than 12 months of age should not get the vaccine. Also, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) advises against non-emergency use of smallpox vaccine in children younger than 18 years of age. In addition, those allergic to the vaccine or any of its components should not receive the vaccine. Also, people who have been diagnosed by a doctor as having a heart condition with or without symptoms, including conditions such as previous myocardial infarction (heart attack), angina (chest pain caused by lack of blood flow to the heart), congestive heart failure, and cardiomyopathy (heart muscle becomes inflamed and doesn’t work as well as it should), stroke or transient ischemic attack (a “mini-stroke” that produces stroke-like symptoms but not lasting damage), chest pain or shortness of breath with activity (such as walking up stairs), or other heart conditions being treated by a doctor should not get the vaccine at this time. (Heart disease may be a temporary exclusion and may change as more information is gathered.) Also, individuals who have 3 or more of the following risk factors should not get the vaccine at this time: high blood pressure diagnosed by a doctor; high blood cholesterol diagnosed by a doctor; diabetes or high blood sugar diagnosed by a doctor; a first degree relative (for example, mother, father, brother or sister) with a heart condition before the age of 50; and/or, currently a cigarette smoker. (These may be temporary exclusions and may change as more information is gathered.)

In the past, about 1,000 people for every 1 million people vaccinated for the first time experienced reactions that, while not life-threatening, were serious. These reactions included a toxic or allergic reaction at the site of the vaccination (erythema multiforme), spread of the vaccinia virus to other parts of the body and to other individuals (inadvertent inoculation), and spread of the vaccinia virus to other parts of the body through the blood (generalized vaccinia). These types of reactions may require medical attention. In the past, between 14 and 52 people out of every 1 million people vaccinated for the first time experienced potentially life-threatening reactions to the vaccine. Based on past experience, it is estimated that 1 or 2 people in 1 million who receive the vaccine may die as a result. Careful screening of potential vaccine recipients is essential to ensure that those at increased risk do not receive the vaccine.

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/vaccination/facts.asp#safety

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

Now... small pox is believed to have originated in Africa and then spread to India and China thousands of years ago. The first recorded smallpox epidemic was in 1350 BC during the Egyptian-Hittite war.

So it was only a disease that killed about 30% of those who contracted the disease. Like most diseases it's more likely present in unsanitary conditions and more than likely fatal to people that are malnutritious.
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According to the official figures of the Register General of England, only 109 children (under 5) in England and Wales died of smallpox in the twenty-three years ending December 1933. But 270 died of vaccinations in the same period in these two countries. Between 1934 and 1961, not one smallpox death was recorded, and yet during this same period, 115 children under 5 years of age died as a result of the smallpox vaccination. This ultimately forced the government to repeal the Vaccination Act for smallpox.

The situation was just as bad in the USA. An article in the July 1969 issue of Prevention Magazine stated that 300 children in the USA died from the complications of smallpox vaccine since 1948. Yet during that same period there was not one reported case of smallpox in the country. In October 1971, Dr. Samuel Katz, Duke University Medical Centre, speaking at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said that an average of six to nine individuals die each year from smallpox vaccinations. Authorities eventually abandoned the vaccine, as Dr. Archie Kalokerinos of Australia points out:

"About 10 to 15 years ago, some of my colleagues in the United States gave me some very interesting information. They said that smallpox vaccination had been stopped, not because smallpox had been wiped out, but because they were having trouble with the vaccine. They would vaccinate an individual and that individual would give active smallpox to a contact. The whole thing was out of control and they weren't game to use it."

This is probably why Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health Organization's advisory panel on viruses has stated, "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself."

Even the British Medical Journal (1/5/1976) stated: "It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection in Britain."

"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship ... To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others, will constitute the Bastille of medical science."

-- Benjamin Rush, M.D.
Signatory to the Declaration of Independence
Physician to George Washington

"If humanity is to pass safely through its present crisis on earth, it will be because a majority of individuals are now doing their own thinking."

-- Buckminster Fuller

http://www.naturodoc.com/library/pub...ox_vaccine.htm

History of small pox:
http://dermatology.about.com/cs/smal...smallpoxhx.htm

[Siggie]

Bye Bye Small Pox

According to Wikipedia, the last naturally occurring incident of smallpox (Variola minor) happened on this date in 1977:

By the end of 1975, smallpox persisted only in the Horn of Africa. Conditions were very difficult in Ethiopia and Somalia, where there were few roads. Civil war, famine, and refugees made the task even more difficult. An intensive surveillance and containment and vaccination program was undertaken in early and mid-1977. The last naturally occurring case of indigenous smallpox (Variola minor) was diagnosed in Ali Maow Maalin, a hospital cook in Merca, Somalia, on 26 October 1977.

In the 20th century, smallpox is estimated to have killed hundreds of millions of people. Hundreds of millions. Imagine the United States — the entire country, from the Pacific to the Atlantic — empty, devoid of people, dead. Smallpox wiped out that many people with room to spare.

And yet, today, it’s gone.

Why do you think that is? Homeopathy? Detoxification? Thinking good thoughts?

Nope. Vaccinations. A global campaign was undertaken in 1950, and within 30 years smallpox was struck from the face of the Earth.

Hey Jenny McCarthy, Meryl Dorey, and all you antivaxxers and your ilk: got a response to this? Still want to claim vaccines don’t work? Still want to stop people from getting them? Do you want to see this happen to children all over the planet again (WARNING – SERIOUSLY! -VERY DISTURBING IMAGE ). Because if you are successful in your campaign to stop vaccinations, that’s what we’ll be facing again.

Vaccines are perhaps the single greatest triumph of modern medicine. Yet a vocal minority willing to trash facts, spin the truth, and generally spout misinformation is putting not only themselves but you, me, and everyone at risk.

Happy anniversary, smallpox, gone these past 32 years. And may I add, good damn riddance. May reason, rationality, and science-based medicine do the same for every other threat to the health and well being of the human race as well.

Link to source

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

Are there flu seasons for people who live in moderate climates?

As Canada begins its "swine flu" vaccinations... there are 4 reported deaths linked to the swine flu vaccines administered in Sweden as well as reports of high fevers after vaccination. Over 50% of Canadians polled said they will be choosing not to get the H1N1 vaccine.

What to believe... what to believe. The popular media or rumours... they are both kinda iffy hmmmmm.

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

Flu season is between November and April. The "peak" varies but it is typically in January or February.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

I'll go as far as to say this H1N1 "vaccine" won't save a single soul because it's already too late. That's why it is being released only after the flu has peaked. I feel sorry for the poor saps that are waiting in lines to play a part in governmental charades.

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

Complete immunity for some requires 2 doses of vaccine a few weeks apart, so most who are high-risk like those in health care will need 2 doses and very young children.

Will two doses of vaccine be required?


Will there be enough 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine for everyone who wants it?

It is expected that there will be enough 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine for anyone who chooses to get vaccinated. The US federal government has procured 250 million doses of 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine. This quantity of vaccine accounts for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) clinical trial data showing that children 6 months to 9 years of age will need two doses and persons 10 and older will need one dose. Limited amounts of 2009 H1N1 vaccine became available in early October, and more will continue to become available over the upcoming weeks.

CDC FAQ

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5368395.shtml

Thanks for proving my media conspiracy theory

Why would the following states need 2.2 million doses?

1 Wyoming WY 532,668
2 Vermont VT 621,270
3 North Dakota ND 641,481
4 Alaska AK 686,293
5 South Dakota SD 804,194
6 Delaware DE 873,092
7 Montana MT 967,440
8 Rhode Island RI 1,050,788
9 Hawaii HI 1,288,198
10 New Hampshire NH
11 Maine ME 1,316,456
12 Idaho ID 1,523,816
13 Nebraska NE 1,783,432
14 West Virginia WV 1,814,468
15 New Mexico NM 1,984,356

Florida, New York, Texas, and California alone make 1/3 of the U.S. population.

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

In order to meet demand in the United States for the H1N1 vaccine, the government has ordered 250 million doses in all.

More than 2.2 million doses have been ordered by every state in the country, but who gets those vaccines, and when, is up to individual states.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/07/earlyshow/main5368395.shtml

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

I don't even know where you got this 10% number, but since you're sticking to it, then you tell me.

First of all the health care providers need it because they have to take care of the sick and then pregnant mothers because they have been most adversely affected so far and the infants can't be vaccinated, so immunized mother can protect baby.
Then they go from there anyone with immune issues or respiratory issues for instance would need it because this influenza lands people in the hospital with severe respiratory distress (enough to go straight to ICU).

See the big bold text below 40/300 = 13.33%


Feds ship 2 million doses of swine flu vaccine

Two million doses of the swine flu vaccine have been shipped to the provinces and territories, the federal government announced Monday, with more expected to be ready in the coming days.

The vaccine is in full production by its maker, GlaxoSmithKline, and clinical trials are well underway, Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq told an Ottawa news conference.

"As the vaccine rolls off the production line, it is being shipped to locations across the country," Aglukkaq said. "Of course it will be released once it has completed the approval process, and that process is well underway."

Aglukkaq and Dr. David Butler-Jones, Canada's chief public health officer, would not confirm reports that the government will approve the vaccine within the next few days.

If so, that would mean some Canadians could potentially be vaccinated by the end of the week.

"Given we're within a very short period to the time that we've always talked about being ready before the beginning of November, I think it's important that we get the assurance from the regulator about the confidence in the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine," Butler-Jones said.

Health officials have ordered 50.4 million doses of the H1N1 vaccine, which contains an adjuvant additive, a compound that will make it more effective. Another 1.8 million doses of the vaccine without the adjuvant are also on the way.

This means all Canadians can have access to the vaccine, unlike in the United States, which has only about 40 million doses for a population of 300 million.

There has been some concern about the vaccine containing the adjuvant, because Canada has never approved an adjuvant-containing flu vaccine before.

Butler-Jones described the adjuvant as a natural product of fish oil, water and vitamin E, and said it will allow the vaccine to offer protection even if the H1N1 virus mutates.

"While pregnant women have been encouraged to receive the vaccine that does not contain the adjuvant, Butler-Jones said, the vaccine with adjuvant is still safe for expectant mothers." (Let's not confuse expecting women any more than they already are eh?)

"The risks to pregnant women from contracting H1N1 are much, much higher than any theoretical risk posed by adjuvanted vaccine," he said. (All depends on your gambling habits I guess)

The vaccine without the adjuvant must be manufactured and packaged, and therefore shipped, separately. Butler-Jones could not say when the non-adjuvanted vaccine will be ready. (Seems to me that is takes more time to make the non-adjuvanated vaccine which DOESN'T contain additives... that makes sense)

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...019?hub=Health

Thinking that no one is looking out for public safety and there are no safeguards in place is paranoid.

Safeguards? I'm sure lot's of safeguards are in place when using entire populations as guinea pigs. If there were safeguards in place, the Fed and WHO wouldn't have passed laws that protects them against any wrong doing in case there are many reported cases of instant adverse side effects.

You couldn't jab me with this xxxx if you paid me. BTW, I have also read that SOME of the companies that are producing the vaccine are in CHINA. LOL.

"Butler-Jones described the adjuvant as a natural product of fish oil, water and vitamin E, and said it will allow the vaccine to offer protection even if the H1N1 virus mutates."

Ahhh... good old fish oil, water and vitamins.... things you can't find on a KFC or McDonald's menu.