Vaccinations (Countering the misinformation of Anti-Vaxx Movement)

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

So only 10% of the population doesn't have healthy immune systems?

I don't even know where you got this 10% number, but since you're sticking to it, then you tell me.

First of all the health care providers need it because they have to take care of the sick and then pregnant mothers because they have been most adversely affected so far and the infants can't be vaccinated, so immunized mother can protect baby.
Then they go from there anyone with immune issues or respiratory issues for instance would need it because this influenza lands people in the hospital with severe respiratory distress (enough to go straight to ICU).

My views are logical, I don't have a science paranoia. I have an awareness of mad scientists and profit seeking organizations who would stomp on their own grandmother for a penny and wouldn't care whether or not their snake oils create autoimmune disorders.

Thinking that no one is looking out for public safety and there are no safeguards in place is paranoid.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

I read there will be enough for everyone who wants one. They're just immunizing by risk initially while they make more.

So only 10% of the population doesn't have healthy immune systems?

Yet, if that quote from the IOM report isn't pulled out of context, it appears that lots of scientists got right on the issue to figure out what happened and they were honest about it. Your science paranoia is unjustified and it is at odds with the rest of your beliefs. Unless you don't go to physicians at all, take any medications (OTC or Rx), nor benefit otherwise from anything that science has contributed to (which is an impossibility), your views are hypocritical.

My views are logical, I don't have a science paranoia. I have an awareness of mad scientists and profit seeking organizations who would stomp on their own grandmother for a penny and wouldn't care whether or not their snake oils create autoimmune disorders.

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

There is a shortage and people are waiting in long crowded lines waiting for their vaccines in this weather... I hope they don't spread the swine flu! Then the politicians say everyone should get the vaccine but then there is only enough for like 10% of the population. What a joke.

I read there will be enough for everyone who wants one. They're just immunizing by risk initially while they make more.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

You didn't read Dr. Novellas article that I linked did you? He totally addressed this. As of now they expect the GBS risk to be the same as with the seasonal influenza vaccine.

I got my seasonal flu vaccine last week and I just got authorized to receive the N1H1 vaccine. Yay! It should be available in 3 or so weeks.

There is a shortage and people are waiting in long crowded lines waiting for their vaccines in this weather... I hope they don't spread the swine flu! Then the politicians say everyone should get the vaccine but then there is only enough for like 10% of the population. What a joke.

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

You didn't read Dr. Novellas article that I linked did you? He totally addressed this. As of now they expect the GBS risk to be the same as with the seasonal influenza vaccine.

I got my seasonal flu vaccine last week and I just got authorized to receive the N1H1 vaccine. Yay! It should be available in 3 or so weeks.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

Did I say that? We're not talking about biowarfare. You're saying they're mixing it up with things meant for the public? What?! You think they're accidentally sprinkling anthrax in our influenza vaccines?

Of course not, not unless you're in the military!!

Read the article below and tell me how confident health officials are about ANYTHING! lol

August 16, 2009
Death link to swine flu vaccine

HEALTH officials have warned doctors of possible similarities between the new swine flu vaccine and a jab linked to 25 deaths in America in the 1970s.

The government’s Health Protection Agency (HPA), said in a letter to neurologists that they needed to look out for increases in cases of a brain disorder that might follow the launch of the immunisation programme.

The letter has been sent because of concerns sparked by studying of the swine flu vaccination campaign in America.

In 1976, Washington rushed in a mass immunisation programme against a swine flu outbreak that was confined to a single military base.

Several hundred cases of a rare, lethal, paralysing neurological disease called Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) were reported afterwards, and although no clear link was ever found to the vaccine, the incident made many people mistrustful of immunisations.

Although the swine flu virus vaccine now close to completion is different from the one used in 1976, the HPA said the earlier incident nevertheless highlighted a possible area of concern.

“The vaccines used to combat an expected swine influenza pandemic in 1976 were shown to be associated with GBS and were withdrawn from use,” Professor Elizabeth Miller, head of the HPA’s immunisation department, wrote in the letter sent last month to neurologists.

“GBS has been identified as a condition needing enhanced surveillance when the swine flu vaccines are rolled out.”

The Department of Health said: “Appropriate trials to assess safety and immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.”

The World Health Organisation has also said recently that the public should be “reassured” about the safety of the new vaccine. It acknowledged that “genuine adverse events directly caused by the vaccine may also occur, but cannot be predicted in advance”.

The NHS will monitor any possible risks from the vaccine, including a possible connection with GBS.

GlaxoSmithKline is developing the vaccine in Germany for an immunisation programme due to start in October.

Some 9.4m people in England will receive the vaccine if they fall into priority groups, alongside 2.1m frontline health and social care workers. In Scotland 1.4m people in either at-risk groups or working in health and social care will get the jab.

Priority will be given to those aged six months to 65 years in high-risk groups – including those with asthma, diabetes, heart disease, renal disease or with a compromised immune system.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6797993.ece

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

Do you doubt the existence of biological warfare?

Did I say that? We're not talking about biowarfare. You're saying they're mixing it up with things meant for the public? What?! You think they're accidentally sprinkling anthrax in our influenza vaccines?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

Oh suuuure. I guess I've been living in a different world than you or I just haven't lived enough. I'm sure the few years difference in our ages is the culprit for our incongruent opinions.

Do you doubt the existence of biological warfare?

[Siggie]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

You also require science to create biological weapons which sometimes get mixed up with the batches that are supposed to be given to the public. I guess you just need more world experience as to how the real world works. There are no such thing as conspiracies... they are natural events due to the inherent evils of mankind.

Oh suuuure. I guess I've been living in a different world than you or I just haven't lived enough. I'm sure the few years difference in our ages is the culprit for our incongruent opinions.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Vaccinations (Anti-Vaxx Movement)

These parents are not independent, nor are legal activists. The scientific sources report on data. What you cite is a single case. It could be argued that he could have gotten the virus elsewhere. That is why we require science. Because they can examine the rates of virus in those who got the vaccine and those who didn't, then delve deeper and isolate the batch, as it seems that they did.

I granted the contamination of the batch. It still does not mean that vaccines as a whole are not beneficial. I am arguing the point about scientific sources because they are more reliable than a single case. You think science is evil and it's all a big conspiracy. Yet, if that quote from the IOM report isn't pulled out of context, it appears that lots of scientists got right on the issue to figure out what happened and they were honest about it. Your science paranoia is unjustified and it is at odds with the rest of your beliefs. Unless you don't go to physicians at all, take any medications (OTC or Rx), nor benefit otherwise from anything that science has contributed to (which is an impossibility), your views are hypocritical.

You also require science to create biological weapons which sometimes get mixed up with the batches that are supposed to be given to the public. I guess you just need more world experience as to how the real world works. There are no such thing as conspiracies... they are natural events due to the inherent evils of mankind.