Flat Earth/Heliocentrism

[HotFizzixist]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

If you told me you were leaving for x and y by foot or by car and lived 4 km away from x and y, I would be able to know when you would arrive at x and y. Time isn't a spacial dimension.

What if I stopped to see a movie? I'd still be traveling by one mode of travel or another, yet I would arrive about two hours later than you would expect.

[Siggie]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

If you told me you were leaving for x and y by foot or by car and lived 4 km away from x and y, I would be able to know when you would arrive at x and y. Time isn't a spacial dimension.

But I would be at that place only at that particular time. You'd still be trying to calculate a "time." Thing occupy not only a place in space, but in space-time.

[KanadaHye]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

Space is 4d. The 4th dimension is time. You can't talk about space without talking about time. If I tell you I will be at the corner of X and Y St., would you be able to find me?

If you told me you were leaving for x and y by foot or by car and lived 4 km away from x and y, I would be able to know when you would arrive at x and y. Time isn't a spacial dimension.

[Siggie]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

That's precisely my disagreement with the entire concept. Time is just an abstract measurement that we created to record sequences of events. Time as we understand it, arranges the order that events take place.

How would you explain the experiments that demonstrate that time is relative? Like the time in satellites or clocks of different heights etc?

[KanadaHye]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

According to the Big Bang theory, many of the predictions of which have been borne out by observation (e.g., cosmic microwave background), spacetime did have a beginning, and there was nothing before it - neither space nor time.

That's precisely my disagreement with the entire concept. Time is just an abstract measurement that we created to record sequences of events. Time as we understand it, arranges the order that events take place.

[Siggie]

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Time is an abstract measurement. Space is a 3 dimensional area which depicts the position of matter.

Are we to agree that time and space had a beginning?

Then what happened an hour before the beggining, and if space did not exist until a certain time, what space does it occupy? (something had to be there)

Time is abstract in what sense? Do you mean that time is relative because I think that was the point.

Space is 4d. The 4th dimension is time. You can't talk about space without talking about time. If I tell you I will be at the corner of X and Y St., would you be able to find me?

You're talking about something entirely different when referring to the beginning. It's not meaningful to ask what came before the big bang because there was no before, as Hawking illustrates by comparing this to asking "What's North of the North Pole?" Time was "born" in that "explosion" (read: expansion). By the rules of our universe, it seems like yeah, there had to be something there, but the rules governing our universe didn't exist independently of our universe. So, we can't expect them to hold outside of our universe. We don't know what set off this singularity, but not knowing that doesn't throw a wrench into the TSR. It still explains what happens in our universe well.

[HotFizzixist]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

Are we to agree that time and space had a beginning?

Then what happened an hour before the beggining, and if space did not exist until a certain time, what space does it occupy? (something had to be there)

According to the Big Bang theory, many of the predictions of which have been borne out by observation (e.g., cosmic microwave background), spacetime did have a beginning, and there was nothing before it - neither space nor time.

[KanadaHye]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

Why not? I asked for an explanation of what's wrong with the theory.

Why can't we meaningfully talk about space without referring to time or vice-versa? They're already one in our everyday lives.

Time is an abstract measurement. Space is a 3 dimensional area which depicts the position of matter.

Are we to agree that time and space had a beginning?

Then what happened an hour before the beggining, and if space did not exist until a certain time, what space does it occupy? (something had to be there)

[Siggie]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

For starters I don't agree that space and time is one and the same.

Why not? I asked for an explanation of what's wrong with the theory.

Why can't we meaningfully talk about space without referring to time or vice-versa? They're already one in our everyday lives.

[KanadaHye]

Re: I am an Azeri and GAY. Not sure if feminine or masculine.

Of course you don't. I can't resist this opportunity...

Please explain to the rest of us dummies, how it is that Einstein's TSR is wrong? In other words... correct or at least point out the flaws that make you reject the entire theory.

For starters I don't agree that space and time is one and the same.