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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Joseph View Post
    Understood. It started out fine but the last few paragraphs were unnecessary and very partisan...though I think Nalbandian is a joker.
    Agree about nalbandian. He will never be a Lavrov. He is just a soviet raised burocrat. But whole of our MFA is corrupt and inefficient. In soviet times this was one of the most corrupt areas. Smuggling of artifacts, illegal travels and made up members of delegations (included members by bribes). Money loundering. You name it.
    The people there have not changed, so is the practices.
    But we need enthusiastic and imaginative patriotic new blood there to help us in this hard times.
    Nalbandian is just the tip of iceberg. He may even be the best employee in that department.
    We need a total, to the base shake up. Pull out those leaches that have dug themselfs in there and toss them away.
    And then start from base up.

    Lragir and inc. is not going to tell us this. They only tell enough to get an Orange Revolution. But when that happens, this shady groups will make sure that nothing changes, only allegiances change from East to West(pay patrons).
    Ukraine is my witness
    Last edited by Hakob; 05-03-2016, 07:28 AM.

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Hakob View Post
      Agree about nalbandian. He will never be a Lavrov. He is just a soviet raised burocrat. But whole of our MFA is corrupt and inefficient. In soviet times this was one of the most corrupt areas. Smuggling of artifacts, illegal travels and made up members of delegations (included members by bribes). Money loundering. You name it.
      The people there have not changed, so is the practices.
      But we need enthusiastic and imaginative patriotic new blood there to help us in this hard times.
      Nalbandian is just the tip of iceberg. He may even be the best employee in that department.
      We need a total, to the base shake up. Pull out those leaches that have dug themselfs in there and toss them away.
      And then start from base up.

      Lragir and inc. is not going to tell us this. They only tell enough to get an Orange Revolution. But when that happens, this shady groups will make sure that nothing changes, only allegiances change from East to West(pay patrons).
      I agree with your sentiments- Armenia needs a real/functioning/goal-oriented/patriotic MFA (also with regards to other ministries). And yes, Lragir is like an Orange Revolution cheerleader.

      As I've and others have said before, there needs to be and probably will be a reckoning after final victory is achieved.

      My two cents (and perhaps some of these items are being undertaken already)

      It's a two way street. The corrupt oligarchs must pay there taxes but at the same time the Tax Authority must not target those who pay their taxes with additional taxes and "assessments" (which happens in most countries and is one of the main reasons people avoid paying in the first place- you then have target sign on your back and the gov't comes back for more). Perhaps taxes should be lowered (as well as lowering VAT which would help foreign investment) to help facilitate business and encourage start-ups. Rule of Law must apply to all. All Gov't spending must be accounted for down to the dram.

      Areas where Armenia can excel: IT, Agriculture, Education, Tourism, Alternative Energy, Banking, Weapons Development and Munitions (for eventual export)

      Armenia must increase its trade relations and economic development partnerships with India, China, Iran and Western Europe when possible.

      MFA must be populated with young, energetic, patriotic (yet pragmatic), honest, diplomats who speak multiple languages.

      Armenia should stay close to Russia but continue to follow a positive relationship with most NATO states.

      My apologies for deviating off-topic.
      General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by Hakob View Post
        There was the Greko/Turkish war of 1971 in which turkey invaded and occupied (still does) part of Cypres. NATO did not stop the Turks.
        Cyprus is a sovereign country. Yes they are Greeks but it's not part of Greece and it's not a NATO member.
        And the war was in 1974.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Joseph View Post
          I'm sure they're still extremely effective and cheap to buy- though very short range.
          19,266 were produced! wow!
          The one we're using has upgraded optics.
          Last edited by armnuke; 05-03-2016, 07:42 AM.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by armnuke View Post
            That's an old M-1938 122mm artillery..rare

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_mm...r_M1938_(M-30)
            It's 152 mm howitzer D-1

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by burjuin View Post
              Oh yes it is.
              Thanks for clarifying
              Are we using many of these D-1s?
              Last edited by armnuke; 05-03-2016, 08:06 AM.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                I didn't know who Artsrun Hovhannisyan was prior to this April, but have been following his news conferences since then. Gotta say, I kind of like him. He seems smart and gives honest answers, one way or another.

                What do you guys think of him?

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by HajiHabibli View Post
                  I didn't know who Artsrun Hovhannisyan was prior to this April, but have been following his news conferences since then. Gotta say, I kind of like him. He seems smart and gives honest answers, one way or another.

                  What do you guys think of him?
                  I think he's a good buffer between the leaders and the population.

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                    The baboon are admitting their soldiers are a bunch of tossers who cannot face a very poorly supplied army.

                    .... and its a proven fact ... as they say.

                    .
                    agreed their soldiers are a mess!but i think they (APA) are talking about our soldiers and spewing propaganda,I've had cousins serve and they never complained about neither food or sanitation in the army.their propaganda are always the same,"Armenian soldiers are in panic","soldiers are in bad condition",but according to them,their soldiers are having more fun in their posts than aliyev does in his mansion.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
                      I think he's a good buffer between the leaders and the population.
                      Fair enough.

                      But, he is also doing a good job of dismissing (in a positive way) the idiotic rumors circulating online about things like lack of umbrellas or whatever they are referring to by "անձրեվանոց." Obviously criticism is great, but these types of complaints, in my opinion, are just a waste of time at best and counterproductive at worst.

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