Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

In my argumentation the Christian Club name wasn't used as an argument, but rather as another name for EU.
I have put down my arguments properly;
they will help us;
because they need Armenia in current geopolitical situation.
Did you read that?

Yes I read it, in fact a number of times trying to find the logic.
I am even more convinced that my response was the correct one.

It is a FANTASY of a desperate man ( nation), similar to what you see in old films !!

EU is NOT a military organization. It is everything BUT military.
EU countries depend and rely on NATO for their defence.
However NATO it is different institution dominated by the US.

And besides do you claim that there are no Christians in EU?

There are Christians in the EU as there are Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Gays, Lesbians, Dog lovers, Drug addicts etc.etc.
I would say Gays and lesbians have more impact on society than religions because they are more dynamic in presentation of their mission.

Don't remember about the past that frequently .... the future is more important.

The future without fully understanding the past is fantasy and wishful thinking.

As refers to Turkey they may mark Turkish ear now, but when the time for actual joining approval comes, they will refuse them in it, for sure, I bet.

At least they are not confused between defence and economy.

[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Defence + Economy = ?

can you guess....

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Defence + Economy = ?

can you guess....

Strong defence + strong economy = strong country.

BUT

If you go a restaurant you cannot take your drinks to the restaurant.

Are you suggesting we join NATO as well.

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[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

No, I was looking for strategy

I think the idea of NATO has been explored (pushed by US) but Armenia has other commitments
interesting a NATO member cannot attack another NATO member...say like Turkey and Armenia if ever was.

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Yes I read it, in fact a number of times trying to find the logic.
I am even more convinced that my response was the correct one.

It is a FANTASY of a desperate man ( nation), similar to what you see in old films !!

EU is NOT a military organization. It is everything BUT military.
EU countries depend and rely on NATO for their defence.
However NATO it is different institution dominated by the US.

There are Christians in the EU as there are Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Gays, Lesbians, Dog lovers, Drug addicts etc.etc.
I would say Gays and lesbians have more impact on society than religions because they are more dynamic in presentation of their mission.

The future without fully understanding the past is fantasy and wishful thinking.

At least they are not confused between defence and economy.

I can’t find the logic of claiming that EU can’t offer security guarantees;
Note please that France and UK are nuclear states with powerful air force etc.
EU countries military was actively involved in airstrikes of Iran, Yugoslavia and now planning to do the same with Syria.
Major EU countries have decisive role in NATO actions/behavior, operations and planning.

For instance France alone, as a country, can give security guarantees against Azeri and Turkey, if interested.
After reading your post one may cry, because of the hopeless situation Armenia is in, as you describe/present.

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I can’t find the logic of claiming that EU can’t offer security guarantees;
Note please that France and UK are nuclear states with powerful air force etc.
EU countries military was actively involved in airstrikes of Iran, Yugoslavia and now planning to do the same with Syria.
Major EU countries have decisive role in NATO actions/behavior, operations and planning.

For instance France alone, as a country, can give security guarantees against Azeri and Turkey, if interested.

I think we live on different planets, I would even say different universes.

After reading your post one may cry, because of the hopeless situation Armenia is in, as you describe/present.

I did not describe the situation of Armenia as hopeless at all.
It has excellent security arrangement under the circumstances.

The only problem I see is that you do not like the Russians.
All I can say in this regard is "Get used to it" because they will be providing our security guarantee for a while.

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[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

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The only problem I see is that you do not like the Russians.
All I can say in this regard is "Get used to it" because they will be providing our security guarantee for a while.

I don't believe in the Russian security guarantee you are talking about, that's our main difference, but instead I like the "for a while" expression you put down. All recent developments, if you analyze properly, confirm that Russia is just profitably using the security guarantee as a bargaining leverage at doing business with Azeri and Turkey, that's it. And from nowadays Russia you can expect all kinds of "business transactions".

Londontsi I'm Yerevantsi; we are different people with different vision and ideas and that's OK.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I guess i am not the only one who thinks Gegev lives in fantasy land. I guess the facts that Turkey has not attacked Armenia in 90 years is not enough proof for this man who says "I don't believe in the guarantee you are talking about" . Instead he says lets throw our fate in the hand of the chrystian EU who will save us since we are all chrystians..despite the fact that this strategy has never ever worked and is far less likely to work now then it ever was before. This statement "For instance France alone, as a country, can give security guarantees against Azeri and Turkey, if interested." proves that this man is hopelessly delusional. We cannot base our future on delusions and religious fantasy. Everything the West has done in its interventions proves that it cares not for the people of those countries yet still people suggest we put our fate in their hands. The hypocrisy of the west is overwhelming which renders its reputation and reliability null and void.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I guess i am not the only one who thinks Gegev lives in fantasy land. I guess the facts that Turkey has not attacked Armenia in 90 years is not enough proof for this man who says "I don't believe in the guarantee you are talking about" . Instead he says lets throw our fate in the hand of the chrystian EU who will save us since we are all chrystians..despite the fact that this strategy has never ever worked and is far less likely to work now then it ever was before. This statement "For instance France alone, as a country, can give security guarantees against Azeri and Turkey, if interested." proves that this man is hopelessly delusional. We cannot base our future on delusions and religious fantasy. Everything the West has done in its interventions proves that it cares not for the people of those countries yet still people suggest we put our fate in their hands. The hypocrisy of the west is overwhelming which renders its reputation and reliability null and void.

Someone seems to know next to nothing about the history of Russia and the Soviet Union, especially its relations (mostly composed of betrayals and invasions and campaigns of extermination) with both its neighbours and its internal components and ethnicities.

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Londontsi I'm Yerevantsi;

I know that.
I have the advantage to understand the British, French and Europeans better than you can from Yerevan.
I have in mind their mentality and foreign policy.

As an example did you know that the BBC ( the famous one) has a policy of not mentioning the Armenian genocide not to offend Turkey.

Were you at the opening of the first Armenian Embassy in the world, in London ?
The speech of the Foreign Ministry representative about Karabagh would have made you sick.

Did you know that in 1998 President Jacques Chirac cancelled his trip to Armenia when President Kocharyan threatened to annex Karabagh.
Chirac visited Armenia in 2006

I could list many other "incidents" which if you read between the line you will understand what I mean.

we are different people with different vision and ideas and that's OK.

I always saw you ( and see you ) as a fellow Armenian, having different views at times.

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