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Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

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  • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    When the war starts; (updated version)

    What are Azeri advantages?
    1) They will rely on a surprise and a diversionary attack. (Londontsi)
    2) Smerch will be very effective, as a mass destruction weapon in plain/flat land with high concentration of troops w/o proper entrenchment and underground fortifications as well as weaponry located in open air.
    3) They have proper arsenal of other sophisticated weapons.
    4) Guarantee that Russian’s wouldn’t intervene and hoping that Artsakh/Armenia will loose time and efforts on asking Russian’s to intervene and will be anxious by getting refusal or promise to intervene later on.
    5) Hoping that Artsakh/Armenia leaders wouldn’t be that decisive, to react immediately, and will try to stop it by applying to the international community, loosing precious time to react.
    6) Knowing our troop/weaponry locations that are not changed/dispositioned for years.
    7) Enjoying Turkish and “Turkic” concealed support in manpower, armament and political area.
    8) They have their own satellite to screen/locate objects in Artsakh/Armenia. Are they fully aware of its know how; to use properly?
    9) Artsakh army wouldn't target Azeri civilians.
    ...
    What are our advantages?
    1) We hold the higher ground (in general) and normally it is easier to defend than to take. (Eddo)
    2) Artsakh/Armenian soldiers are better trained and have a stronger will. (Eddo)
    3) Counter attack is inbuilt as part of the defence strategy. (Londontsi)
    ...
    What are Azeri weaknesses?
    1) They can attack only Artsakh, while Artsakh will target all the country.
    2) Oil, gas fields and major industrial complexes can be destroyed during the first hours of war. Excluding the oil fields in the Caspian that can cause environmental disaster of the sea. (Hakob)
    3) Lack of strong will. (Eddo)
    4) Lack of proper training. (Eddo)
    5) The battlefield hostilities will quickly evolve into artillery duels. (Londontsi)
    6) If the Azeri are seen to have started the war they will loose all political support from US, France and other EU countries. (Londontsi)
    7) Turkish involvement has to be discounted. (Londontsi)
    8) Although we will suffer, the level of refugees and destruction would be much higher on the Azeri side. (Londontsi)
    9) Azeri may suffer internal ethnic unrest or rebellion against aliev's clan in case of prolonged hostilities. (Hakob)
    10) Azeries are world wide known as an oppressor of its population democratic rights.
    11) Fresh memories on crashing defeat in recent Artsakh war.


    What are our weaknesses?
    1) Low military budget. (Eddo)
    2) Small airforce. (Eddo)
    3) Latest and on-going arming of Azerbaijan. (Londontsi)
    4) Azeries will target our civil population.
    5) With artillery engagements, close proximity trenches will become impossible to hold. (Londontsi)

    What should be done before the war starts?
    1) With good intelligence, if we know an attack is imminent, we should pre-empt and deny them the surprise. (Eddo)
    2) Building additional entrenchments and underground fortifications in the plain/flat land areas.
    3) I heard we have arrangements with France to use their satellite data for screening/locating military/other objects in Azerbaijan, because the Russian data will be unreliable.
    4) The times require us to grow up and make/produce our own satellite. (Londontsi)
    5) Azeri positions will become vulnerable with the tactical evacuation of Armenian trenches.(Londontsi)
    5) Mobilizing military specialists of Armenian decent, from Russia, that are familiar with “Smerch” and other weapon know-how; that Azeries bought from Russia. Scientists that took part in developing the arms will be very useful.
    ...
    Last edited by gegev; 08-24-2013, 03:49 AM.

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    • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

      Originally posted by gegev View Post
      When the war starts; (updated version)


      3) I heard we have arrangements with France to use there satellite data for screening/locating military/other objects in Azerbaijan, because the Russian data will be unreliable.

      ...
      Is this substantiated fact or hearsay / speculation / wishful thinking?

      Such arrangements do not come free. I am not thinking financially.
      Politically or otherwise.

      .
      Last edited by londontsi; 08-24-2013, 01:46 AM.
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

        Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        Is this substantiated fact or hearsay / speculation / wishful thinking?
        ... or a suggestion to think about?

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        • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

          Originally posted by gegev View Post
          ... or a suggestion to think about?
          to think about??

          throughout history we dreamed of spacemen would to come to our rescue.

          the times require us to grow up ( or be grown up).
          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

            Originally posted by londontsi View Post
            to think about??
            throughout history we dreamed of spacemen would to come to our rescue.
            the times require us to grow up ( or be grown up).
            I agree Londontsi “the times require us to grow up” and make our own satellites instead of making them for USSR etc. We must pay our scientists normal salaries to keep them in Armenia and grow up the country. This will be the greatest investment we can do ever.

            Paying to 1000 serous scientists $40,000 salary makes $40 million plus other expenses $40 million; $80 million is affordable amount for every poor country. This is a rough estimate of the desire to “grow up”.
            Last edited by gegev; 08-24-2013, 08:35 AM.

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            • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

              Originally posted by gegev View Post
              I agree Londontsi “the times require us to grow up” and make our own satellites instead of making them for USSR etc. We must pay our scientists normal salaries to keep them in Armenia and grow up the country. This will be the greatest investment we can do ever.

              Paying to 1000 serous scientists $40.000 salary makes $40 million plus other expenses $40 million; $80 million is affordable amount for every poor country. This is a rough estimate of the desire to “grow up”.
              the money is there, it's just in the hands of 48 famillies to be exact. 80 millions is potatoes to what they own.

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              • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                Originally posted by gegev View Post
                I agree Londontsi “the times require us to grow up” and make our own satellites instead of making them for USSR etc. We must pay our scientists normal salaries to keep them in Armenia and grow up the country. This will be the greatest investment we can do ever.

                Paying to 1000 serous scientists $40,000 salary makes $40 million plus other expenses $40 million; $80 million is affordable amount for every poor country. This is a rough estimate of the desire to “grow up”.
                Where will we get the 80 million from? What services is the government scraping to make room on the budget for the 80 million?
                Also keep in mind that the 80 million is only the start-up, you still haven't invested in the R&D aspect of the whole thing which will closer to a billion.

                Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                the money is there, it's just in the hands of 48 famillies to be exact. 80 millions is potatoes to what they own.
                What does it matter that the money is there or not? It is still private money and it is up to those private individuals to chose how they will spend the money. Or would you agree that the government can come spend your money as well?

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                • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                  Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                  Where will we get the 80 million from? What services is the government scraping to make room on the budget for the 80 million?
                  Also keep in mind that the $80 million is only the start-up, you still haven't invested in the R&D aspect of the whole thing which will closer to a billion.

                  What does it matter that the money is there or not? It is still private money and it is up to those private individuals to chose how they will spend the money. Or would you agree that the government can come spend your money as well?
                  Gulbekyan alone was ready to donate hundred times bigger amount to Armenia, but our leaders at that time made some dirty comments on the purpose; “bad intentions” of his donation and deprived us from the amount.

                  Don’t you think that there will be somebody like Gulbekyan ready to invest in the project and make his name known for centuries?

                  The satellite can be developed during two/three years, given our scientific potential still available, and that kind of research and development activities always result in development of dozens innovative by products; and their copyright could be given to the person that donated the amount, as an incentive. And note please that this can't be done by Azeries, for centuries, despite the money is readily available there. This is the only competitive advantage of Armenia, still available.

                  And besides the amount, if Armenian budget is managed properly, could be easily allocated, if embezzlement of the funds will be reduced a little bit.
                  Last edited by gegev; 08-24-2013, 08:08 PM.

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                  • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                    Originally posted by gegev View Post
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                    4) The times require us to grow up and make/produce our own satellite. (Londontsi)
                    I think you are stretching what I said or what I meant.

                    I know Armenia had a lot of capability during Soviet times but not in detail.

                    With immigration over all those years do not know the countries loss in this field and reorganizational capability at present.

                    And that is before starting to talk about finance.

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                    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                    • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                      Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post

                      What does it matter that the money is there or not? It is still private money and it is up to those private individuals to chose how they will spend the money. Or would you agree that the government can come spend your money as well?
                      "the goverment", ie the guys who make the decisions and control the economy, and pay little to no taxes, are de facto those exact akhperutyuns, and their attached groupings in armenia and abroad. It's only natural, that whatever serious money is there, it would have to come from them, who else?

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