Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

The only reason Canada is not bigger then it is economically and population wise is because most people do not want to live in a winter wonderland 8 to 10 months out of the year. Yeh i Know that Ontario is not so bad but most of that country is cold most of the year. This is just fine for a icefisherman like myself but i realize i am in the minority hehe.

Nah, we just don't want anyone else to figure out how good we have it up here

I really don't know where GDP numbers come from but I know Ontario builds more automobiles than Michigan. Most of America's GDP comes from big ticket items like Military Weapons, Air Planes, Porn, Movies, Music, etc. Right now I think the entire western economy consumes more than they produce so there is definitely a natural economic correction coming underway.

Russia is like one of those bullies that you want as a friend but don't want interfering in areas where you can handle yourself.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Nah, we just don't want anyone else to figure out how good we have it up here

I really don't know where GDP numbers come from but I know Ontario builds more automobiles than Michigan. Most of America's GDP comes from big ticket items like Military Weapons, Air Planes, Porn, Movies, Music, etc. Right now I think the entire western economy consumes more than they produce so there is definitely a natural economic correction coming underway.

Russia is like one of those bullies that you want as a friend but don't want interfering in areas where you can handle yourself.

We are going through this correction right now.

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary
July 10, 2009

Joint Statement on the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict
by U.S. President Obama, Russian President Medvedev, and French President Sarkozy
....

The Basic Principles call for inter alia:
--return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control --an interim status(P.S.: Genocide) for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance, --a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh; --future determination of the final legal status(P.S.: Graveyard) of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will; --the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and

URL is:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Joint-Statement-on-the-Nagorno-Karabakh-Conflict/

In past Turks; called in modern terms “Azeri” could managed to “free" Nakhidjevan from, at least, of 40% Armenian population (according to USSR statistics) and now there are no Armenians there. Now Russia, USA and others can rightfully report: white genocide in Nakhidjevan is carried out “”unfortunately””, Nakhidjevan is "FREE" from Armenian "occupation".

In 1988 Azeri-Turks carried out Sumgait genocide: USSR didn’t notice it. Aeries encouraged with the fact wanted to do the same with Karabakh 140,000 population. The victims this time strongly rejected the Turkish desire and didn’t die amazingly. They even managed to counterattack the Turks and a little bit enlarged the Karabakh territory to ensure that the next genocide attempt by Turks wouldn’t be carried out that easily.

And now Russia, together with USA, in their joint statement above strongly recommend Armenia, - “return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control”. Which means putting Nagorno-Karabakh in a sack and letting Turkish army HUG it; to facilitate upcoming Nagorno-Karabakh genocide attempt.

Russians and Americans know the Turks and therefore they can’t doubt that,- “future determination of the final legal status (P.S.: Graveyard) of Nagorno-Karabakh” – written in their current joint statement, after returning back “surrounding native Armenian territories”, the FUTURE for Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians would never come. And eventually the superpowers will be engaged in profitable gas/oil business with the Turks; without being disturbed by “nasty” Armenians.

[UrMistake]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I believe that russians know armenians in arstax nor in armenia will give a fight up...they like say yeah you people armenians are out of there..but which one of you dear to bail them out?

They know Azeris fight a lost war...all this is a diplomatic game...USA know that if russians or armenians want to start a war this means an immediate change in oil to russian hands in very cheap price...and the big disappointment of lil sissy girl turkey that will gona cry like a baby..

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

What is Hillary Clinton's Armenian visit goal ?

America is loosing its face worldwide as a human rights defender.

Just pay attention that in the foreign relations committee all the members in their speeches recognized AG as a historical truth but regardless the fact about half of them openly declared that recognizing the fact is not profitable for the United States.

Eventually unveiling nowadays USA real face world wide. Thus Hillary Clinton on behalf of America declared that (by urging the committee members; vote against AG acceptance) when they judge a criminal: the sentence will depend on profitability of the court decision to USA and if it is not, the victim should be sentenced, instead.

Hillary Clinton is the very politician, in nowadays world, I've seen, for whom justice and truth doesn't worth a penny.

This proves that for some of the nowadays USA politicians Judah Iscariot’s image is the most typical: 30 silver coins matters most.

Given her background above .....

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary
July 10, 2009

Joint Statement on the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict
by U.S. President Obama, Russian President Medvedev, and French President Sarkozy
....

The Basic Principles call for inter alia:
--return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control --an interim status(P.S.: Genocide) for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance, --a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh; --future determination of the final legal status(P.S.: Graveyard) of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will; --the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and

URL is:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Joint-Statement-on-the-Nagorno-Karabakh-Conflict/

In past Turks; called in modern terms “Azeri” could managed to “free" Nakhidjevan from, at least, of 40% Armenian population (according to USSR statistics) and now there are no Armenians there. Now Russia, USA and others can rightfully report: white genocide in Nakhidjevan is carried out “”unfortunately””, Nakhidjevan is "FREE" from Armenian "occupation".

In 1988 Azeri-Turks carried out Sumgait genocide: USSR didn’t notice it. Aeries encouraged with the fact wanted to do the same with Karabakh 140,000 population. The victims this time strongly rejected the Turkish desire and didn’t die amazingly. They even managed to counterattack the Turks and a little bit enlarged the Karabakh territory to ensure that the next genocide attempt by Turks wouldn’t be carried out that easily.

And now Russia, together with USA, in their joint statement above strongly recommend Armenia, - “return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control”. Which means putting Nagorno-Karabakh in a sack and letting Turkish army HUG it; to facilitate upcoming Nagorno-Karabakh genocide attempt.

Russians and Americans know the Turks and therefore they can’t doubt that,- “future determination of the final legal status (P.S.: Graveyard) of Nagorno-Karabakh” – written in their current joint statement, after returning back “surrounding native Armenian territories”, the FUTURE for Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians would never come. And eventually the superpowers will be engaged in profitable gas/oil business with the Turks; without being disturbed by “nasty” Armenians.

She is going to urge Armenia to take part in Arthakh suicide plan; described above.

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

This Aleksandr Iskandaryan is a Russian Spy. It/he greets everything that promotes Russian interests in Armenia for a miserable compensation, I guess, he deserves. His solid appearance and voice are tremendously opposed to his miserable behavior. He is the one who endorsed a book on AG which denied it. If Russia needs to say that the milk is black, Alexander will find some "strong" arguments to prove it. As the director of the Caucasus Institute he serves Russia, Turkey and Azeri mutual interests. By the way he belongs to our old "elite" and doesn't speak Armenian:... only Russian.
I’m looking forward for a patriotic Armenian doctor who can make a transplantation of a strong Armenian backbone for the guy.

Thanks for that heads up gegev.
So let me get this straight…..Russia sells S-300s to Azerbaijan so they can protect their oil fields from Armenia’s attacks by the ground-to-ground missiles that they plan to give us which still tips the balance more towards Azerbaijan so now they can justify increasing their military presence and influence in Armenia’s government affairs, and if a war starts (which they could indirectly spark it themselves) they can test their weapons on both sides at the expense of Armenian lives and when we win the war with our blood the world can claim that it was Russia that beat Azerbaijan for Armenia thus Russia takes the glory all the while increasing their grip on both countries and not allowing Armenia to grow more independent with now Russia in control of Artsakh which makes us stay even more dependent on Russia and to be used and controlled as a tool to further their interests (not ours) in the region.

That is fine, they wanna give S-300s to azeris that is their choice and shows their colors.....Armenia should demand the sell/finance of SU-34s (two squadrons minimum) with associated pilot and maintenance personnel training in Russia under the command and supervision of Armenian military aviation institute who will provide the pilots and technicians instead revising the Russian base in Armenia contract (which does nor run out for a while and is fine the way it is) with their proposed increased Russian troops and their military hardware.
To me that would send a stronger message to Azeris and Turks than what Russians are suggesting, if that is what their intentions are.
Increasing Russian presence in Armenia makes us look weaker which has the opposite effect.

You read my mind and more than that. What you said is the realistic interpretation of our situation.

Thanks!

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

If Armenians will advocate for Armenia, as much as for Russia, not less; Armenia may turn into a truly powerful/sovereign country!

[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

If Armenians will advocate for Armenia, as much as for Russia, not less; Armenia may turn into a truly powerful/sovereign country!

That comes from your heart gegev, I like it......I say Armenia's sovereignty and national interests must always come first from any that of another nation regardless of who it maybe now or in the future, this must be an obligation especially to the Armenians who consider themselves patriots or nationalists.

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

That comes from your heart gegev, I like it......I say Armenia's sovereignty and national interests must always come first from any that of another nation regardless of who it maybe now or in the future, this must be an obligation especially to the Armenians who consider themselves patriots or nationalists.

I like your straightforward ideas, you know. Distance is not a problem. Thanks.

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

... I say Armenia's sovereignty and national interests must always come first from any that of another nation regardless of who it maybe now or in the future, this must be an obligation especially to the Armenians who consider themselves patriots or nationalists.

If Armenians will advocate for Armenia, as much as for Russia, not less; Armenia may turn into a truly powerful/sovereign country!

According to some advocates; Russians are doing everything for Armenia and Armenians are unable to do anything for themselves. I agree that Russia is doing something for Armenia that serves its interests in Caucasus nothing more than that. But I strongly disagree with Armenia’s disability propaganda here.

Who won the Arthakh war?

We could negotiate for getting compensation for the Russian base, as it is done by other ally countries, as well as having reservations in the base contract about terminating it if some of the Armenian requirements are not fulfilled. But alas we didn’t put down any explicit terms on Armenian requirements, we are too much afraid of Russia/ally.

Ally doesn’t make courtesy visits to their ally enemies. I guess he is going to eliminate Aliev’s dissatisfaction on Armenia-Russia ties. Medvedev can't go there w/o having something essential to promise them secretly.

Wait a little bit until the Medvedev-Aliev meeting in September 2010. And then we’ll resume this talk.