Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hmm security arrangements you say? Treaties and alliances you say? Hmm why does this ring a bell? Oh yeh i remember some treaties like that one that was signed by president Wilson that was going to give us a homeland..o and alliances ..how could i have forgotten our alliance with the Young Turks and their promises of freedom and tolerance towards us Armenians. O and lets not forget geopolitical realities-hold on i gotta stop laughing and catch my breath one sec-yes lets not forget geopolitical realities i completely agree with you.

Treaties gathering dust on the shelf is not enough.
You have to maintain them through the political machine.
That is the whole point of the need to make as much noise as possible when an ally sways from its commitments both moral and material.

Russia also is sensitive for its image internationally as a reliable and credibility ally. Its part of Geopolitics.

Here a lot criticism has to go the the Armenian Government and President for being asleep on the job.

Full credit to first commander Arkady Karapetyan, but I am afraid it is too little too late.

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[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Treaties gathering dust on the shelf is not enough.
You have to maintain them through the political machine.
That is the whole point of the need to make as much noise as possible when an ally sways from its commitments both moral and material.
Russia also is sensitive for its image internationally as a reliable and credibility ally. Its part of Geopolitics.

Here a lot criticism has to go the the Armenian Government and President for being asleep on the job.

Full credit to first commander Arkady Karapetyan, but I am afraid it is too little too late.

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I smell smart evaluation and understanding of politics; unlike ...
Russia should not, can't and will not be allowed to treat Armenia like the passed away allays; Yugoslavia, Iraq, ...

Because, eventually, if we see that the "brotherhood" mostly harms Armenia; it would be much better for us to refrain from the kinds of "services" it offers.

And it would be its own funeral as a superpower; in Caucasus and in general.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

You guys still don't get it. Russia has options and choices as to who it has for allies, friends, enemies..etc. Armenia has no options. Russia can choose the Azeri or Armenian side as ally , enemy..but we do not have the privilege of choice. We have Iran or Russia as possible partners but only the later can guarantee our security. I do not care what kind of wet dream you are having-Armenia is defenseless wo Russia. EU and the USA will be more then happy to confine Armenia to the history books as a lost relic to Chrystiandom but Russia cannot allow the Turk to overrun the caucuses. None of this is hard or complicated to understand but wishful thinking and rose colored sunglasses distort reality for many people.

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

You guys still don't get it. Russia has options and choices as to who it has for allies, friends, enemies..etc. Armenia has no options. Russia can choose the Azeri or Armenian side as ally , enemy..but we do not have the privilege of choice. We have Iran or Russia as possible partners but only the later can guarantee our security. I do not care what kind of wet dream you are having-Armenia is defenseless wo Russia. EU and the USA will be more then happy to confine Armenia to the history books as a lost relic to Chrystiandom but Russia cannot allow the Turk to overrun the caucuses. None of this is hard or complicated to understand but wishful thinking and rose colored sunglasses distort reality for many people.

The only thing you've got is; you are much brighter compared with us!!!

Any nuclear state that has no borders with Armenia like Russia, if will be offered by Armenia to dominate solely in Armenia's economy and allocate military bases here, as Russia does now, will guarantee our security and its own economic interests in Armenia, with pleasure, much better and "brotherly"/politely than our "Ally" does.

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

You guys still don't get it. Russia has options and choices as to who it has for allies, friends, enemies..etc. Armenia has no options. Russia can choose the Azeri or Armenian side as ally , enemy..but we do not have the privilege of choice. We have Iran or Russia as possible partners but only the later can guarantee our security. I do not care what kind of wet dream you are having-Armenia is defenseless wo Russia. EU and the USA will be more then happy to confine Armenia to the history books as a lost relic to Chrystiandom but Russia cannot allow the Turk to overrun the caucuses. None of this is hard or complicated to understand but wishful thinking and rose colored sunglasses distort reality for many people.

Russia has already decided who to be allied with. Through CSTO as well as two-way security agreements.

The issue is whether Russia will honour (or is honouring) those agreements.

Russia has other allies as well. I am sure they would be evaluating Russia’s behaviour and credibility.

Also remember geopolitical adversaries will evaluate that before they start chipping in its "region of influence".

Lets take Syrian situation as an example.

If Syria’s adversaries knew how strongly Russia felt about the future of Syria they would not have started this misadventure.
Now Russia has to take late and desperate efforts to negate their efforts.


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[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Iondontsi you are not seeing the Syrian situation for what it is in terms of what it reflects about Russia. Think about it for a second. Here you have the entire west (USA+Europe) plus all the Arab states funding and supporting the rebels who were winning until Russia stepped in and they are now being slaughtered. Perhaps this demonstrates Russian power in the region? Perhaps this is exactly what Russia wanted? Russia is not taking any desperate measures at all-on the contrary it is the rebels who are in a desperate situation and those who promised to help them before are now letting them down. This misperception of reality is what i am talking about and it is dangerous because it allows some of you to reach completely false conclusions.
As for Gegev i dont know who "us" is but yes i am definitely smarter then you at least when it comes to seeing things for what they are. Other powers already have bases in the region, and they could not care less about dominating Armenia's insignificant economy. As a matter of fact they couldn't care less about Armenia or the Armenians living there. You guys do not think before you speak or type - i wonder if you are even capable of it anymore-you just seem to thrive on hate and hate alone with utter disregard to the realities around you. You are free to do and say whatever yo like but non of that changes the reality that you live in.

[robertik1]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

A-men.

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

........... until Russia stepped in and they are now being slaughtered. Perhaps this demonstrates Russian power in the region?

You totally missed my point.

If Syria’s adversaries knew how strongly Russia felt about the future of Syria they would not have started this misadventure.
Now Russia has to take late and desperate efforts to negate their efforts.

Perhaps this is exactly what Russia wanted? Russia is not taking any desperate measures at all-on the contrary it is the rebels who are in a desperate situation and those who promised to help them before are now letting them down. This misperception of reality is what i am talking about and it is dangerous because it allows some of you to reach completely false conclusions.

Really ???

The destruction of a freindly and strategic country.
Allow it to be pushed to the edge of the abyss.
Seriously weakening its military, economy and slaughter of its people?


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[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

It was not Russia that attacked Syria or perhaps that is another one of the delusions you guys are having. Yes it is in Russia's interest to demonstrate that Syria cannot do without it. This is a point it makes to remind Syria and Iran who the boss is-that without Russia they are doomed. Once that point was clear (rebels were wining) Russia showed the difference it makes. Once Russia goes in with weapons etc.. the rebels all died and their backers xxxx their panties. It is not in Russia's interest to strengthen Syria, Armenia or anyone else. It wants these countries to remain dependent but to remain there non the less as buffers. Once you understand this basic premis the rest all makes sense. Yeh Armenia will not grow into a regional power so long as it relies on Russia but it will not exist either without her. You guys offer nothing but destruction as an alternative with your rosy scenarios which will only happen in your minds. The reality for Armenia is not as rosy. Armenia does not have any good choices-it has only one choice and that one guarantees its survival but not much more.

You totally missed my point.






Really ???

The destruction of a freindly and strategic country.
Allow it to be pushed to the edge of the abyss.
Seriously weakening its military, economy and slaughter of its people?


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[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

It was not Russia that attacked Syria or perhaps that is another one of the delusions you guys are having. Yes it is in Russia's interest to demonstrate that Syria cannot do without it. This is a point it makes to remind Syria and Iran who the boss is-that without Russia they are doomed. Once that point was clear (rebels were wining) Russia showed the difference it makes. Once Russia goes in with weapons etc.. the rebels all died and their backers xxxx their panties. It is not in Russia's interest to strengthen Syria, Armenia or anyone else. It wants these countries to remain dependent but to remain there non the less as buffers. Once you understand this basic premis the rest all makes sense. Yeh Armenia will not grow into a regional power so long as it relies on Russia but it will not exist either without her. You guys offer nothing but destruction as an alternative with your rosy scenarios which will only happen in your minds. The reality for Armenia is not as rosy. Armenia does not have any good choices-it has only one choice and that one guarantees its survival but not much more.

I agree that; your type of "mind" doesn't deserve anything more than survival. As refers to the Armenians; they are not SERFS/PUPPETS, I'm sure that you and Russia will see it soon. Russia would always ignore Armenian interests having proponents like you. But the times are over and I see you are the only fighter on their side. Putin will be glad reading your posts and assured that his politics of supplying Azeries with mass destruction weapons in Caucasus gives "desired results".

The results of Artsakh war against Azeries and Russian "Koltso" operation showed vividly that Armenians are not puppets. You'll feel it once again and again.