Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

i know and have a very close numbers of how many diaspora armenians fought during artsakh liberation (excluding russian armenians) maybe research the exact numbers and we can talk about it. During arstakh war we had around 6 million armenians world wide.

Lets not forget the struggle was from 89 until 94. 5 years in total during one of armenias hardest times can you tell me how many diaspora came to the help of armenia????? Don't worry about bs money lets talk people who prepared to die for a second armenian state.

Let me know when you find the numbers.

i call the attention of the moderators regarding this individual,

despite being given a warning ( by yourselves ) regarding his agenda of inter-Armenian hate, pursues to do the same.

This is not acceptable to any self respecting Armenian whatever and wherever his background

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[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Inter hate? You are a lost soul living in la la land.

Let me know how many diaspora armenians fought in artsakh . Its a discussion i didn't call out persian armenian , indian armenian or chinese armenian.

I said pathetic diaspora because that is what it is. Everyone has an opinion you lost cause.

You fail to bring up numbers because its embarrasing.

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Provide numbers of how many diaspora armenians prepared to die for a second armenian state. Is it that hard?

[Shant03]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Gevz expresses himself in a harsh manner but I can see the frustration from which his behavior originates. The diaspora is indeed delusional about many things and has a very inaccurate perception of reality which I and others have proven many times over in these threads. The part that is frustrating(to me anyways) is that even when most diasporans are educated about the truth and the reality which exists, they quickly revert to their original way of thinking without explanation nor reason. Countless times I have shown that western countries are owned by private financial powers which are devastating those societies yet even after acknowledging this they still revert back to "Armenia needs to be like the west". What I have realized over the years is that as people like me try to educate the diasporans about the reality of the world they live in, they will vehemently deny that my teachings are true but their collective behavior tells a different story. I realized 35 years ago that Russia was our only hope yet it took our western educated diaspora leaders almost 30 years longer to realize the same thing. Most of the antirussian garbage is simply CIA and Turkish intelligence operations which peak during certain periods and will inexcplicably stop as soon as funding runs out. The creator of this thread Vrej1915 is a perfect example. We saw a barrage of posts from this character with all of them being antirussian in nature and just as suddenly he appeared..he disappeared. Never did he have a single constructive post about anything-it was all about Armenia is bad and Russia is satan. This type of shallow hate mongering is effective on people who are uneducated about the situation. Russia is as close to a friend as Armenia will get in this world but Russia has her own interests to worry about and is indeed under attack on many fronts. Armenia must become stronger and the only way to do this is to invest in her and her future. The diaspora has a big role to play. I have for decades been asking the diasporans to go to Armenia and make connections (personal, economic, spiritual..) with her. Lately some organizations have been set up to do just this by helping send our young diasporans to Armenia. The centennial saw many people go to Armena who would otherwise not have gone. I hope these events bring a lasting effect and start a trend. The issue though which needs to be addressed is the lag between reality and the diaspora's perception of it. The reasons for this lag are quite obvious, the brainwashing by western media is doing its job well. While people like me try to counter it we are fighting a very uphill battle. I think Gevz needs to end his overly harsh(not inaccurate) criticism of the diaspora because believe it or not the diaspora is slowly coming around and I know this because I regularly interact with her leaders. We do need the diaspora to get to where we all want. The diasporans and hayastantsis are all brothers and sisters who share the same future. A common misconception among diasporans is that the diaspora does not need Armenia and it can exist indefinitely without her. This is very wrong and it took the jews thousand years to learn this lesson and I hope we Armenians will not be as stubborn. Without a homeland the diaspora is doomed to extinction. It will morph into nothingness as it persists on preserving what has become irrelevant. Countries do not just dwell on preserving the past, they must morph and adept to the changing world. We can see this happening with our present state and the diaspora and this difference is the main reason for the differences in opinions and perceptions among hayastantsis and diasporans. The diaspora is dead without a homeland, it does not matter if it takes 100 years or 1000 years to die so long as it is dead. Our only hope of a future as a people, culture...is to have a nation of our own and to live there. Building a nation has never been easy but if we succeed we will have a country all of us can live in and be proud of.

I agree with you to an extent, however what you're asking for is baised and one-sided. Children like Gevz are the issue at the very core, their brainless parents taught them to label other Armenians parskahavs and so on, that will do nothing but divide us as people. All Armenians (as a whole) need to do is come together and setup an objective, we are getting close to this point which is why I have no issue with the current regime in Armenia. They are doing a great job playing with the cards they've been dealt. Russia is a great ally, I personally think we need to become closer with them. But here is where I disagree, we NEED to keep a balance in the world to truly be a great nation. We cannot just sit in the backseat and hope Russia gets us there, we need to make some moves politically to make ourselves relevant in today's world. Instead of focusing on corruption being the problem of Armenia, we need to focus on what we can do to progress, once we progress the rest of that crap will eventually wash out with the soviet mindset. We are not soviets, we are Armenians, and therefore until people get that through their skulls, we will always have gevz to remind us what differences we have instead of what we share.

Diaspora, what I do agree with you is that the Diaspora should have done a better job of building a bridge in the 90s. Personally, I feel my generation is the best we have had in terms of identifying themselves as Armenians that we've had in the last 100 years. Some have tsolveld, some don't care, but most (in my circle anyway) have taken active steps to regularly visit and take part in building our great country. I feel confident Armenia will be an appealing place to live for those who live in countries like the US, and will see an significant number of people moving back home within the next 10-15 years. I have taken a personally interest into the potential of moving there someday. I do not have this confidence in the US, i feel this country will fall apart within the next 20-30 years. The system is out of balance and out of synch, you are now a country run by corporations whereas even up to 50 years ago this was not the case.

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Provide numbers of how many diaspora armenians prepared to die for a second armenian state. Is it that hard?

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Have i named called any armenian group in this thread? NO

GET BACK ON TOPIC AND ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION



Provide numbers of how many diaspora armenians prepared to die for a second armenian state. Is it that hard?

[Shant03]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Have i named called any armenian group in this thread? NO

GET BACK ON TOPIC AND ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION

Provide numbers of how many diaspora armenians prepared to die for a second armenian state. Is it that hard?

I know and have a very close numbers of how many diaspora Armenians fought during Artsakh liberation (excluding Russian Armenians)

Well.. are you going to keep talking out of your ass or are you going to provide this magically number for us to discuss?

[Gevz]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

It was just under 1000. Proud of this right?

[londontsi]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Diaspora, what I do agree with you is that the Diaspora should have done a better job of building a bridge in the 90s. Personally, I feel my generation is the best we have had in terms of identifying themselves as Armenians that we've had in the last 100 years. Some have tsolveld, some don't care, but most (in my circle anyway) have taken active steps to regularly visit and take part in building our great country. I feel confident Armenia will be an appealing place to live for those who live in countries like the US, and will see an significant number of people moving back home within the next 10-15 years. I have taken a personally interest into the potential of moving there someday. I do not have this confidence in the US, i feel this country will fall apart within the next 20-30 years. The system is out of balance and out of synch, you are now a country run by corporations whereas even up to 50 years ago this was not the case.

You can blame diaspora as much as you like, and agree you will find faults.

A few points you have to consider

Armenia is a state.
It has its constitution
It has its government.
It has its economic and social policy.
AND ultimately it has executive powers.

The diaspora has done and has the capacity to do much more.
It does not have executive power
Nor does it seek ( nor should it ) seek executive power.
It does not even have (public) advisory powers.

Therefore the only body that can create synergy with these two entities the only executive body, ie. the Government/Ruling class.
And their failings have been highlight both within Armenia and from the diaspora.

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[Shant03]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

How was this information gathered? What are you sources? And lastly, what does this have to do with the TOPIC?

You can blame diaspora as much as you like, and agree you will find faults.

A few points you have to consider

Armenia is a state.
It has its constitution
It has its government.
It has its economic and social policy.
AND ultimately it has executive powers.

The diaspora has done and has the capacity to do much more.
It does not have executive power
Nor does it seek ( nor should it ) seek executive power.
It does not even have (public) advisory powers.

Therefore the only body that can create synergy with these two entities the only executive body, ie. the Government/Ruling class.
And their failings have been highlight both within Armenia and from the diaspora.

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Diaspora needs to take a hands on approach when it comes to Armenia, forget the government, forget the executive body, forget politics. We need to be involved with the people, we need to spend time working side by side to develop to close the gap. We all want the same thing ultimately, there is no reason why we should let insignificant details derail us from achieving this. Till now, the main issue in my opinion from the American-Armenian side has been the living conditions in the country, with nearly 50% living under poverty it does not make sense to leave their first class life to live somewhere like that regardless of how patriotic they feel. Therefore, this is the area we should be focused on.