Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

[Artsakh]

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Seven soldiers killed in clashes with PKK

Alleged members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, shot dead one major and six Turkish soldiers in an ambush in the eastern province of Hakkari’s Çukurca district Wednesday morning.

Eleven more soldiers were also injured in the attack.

"They (the PKK) are trying to test our patience. We will defeat them by acting within the scope of the law and democracy. Everybody will see us defeat them," said Turkish National Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz.

The PKK ended its six-month-old unilateral cease-fire in February and moved to what it calls an “active defense” stance, whereby its fighters defend themselves if threatened.

Clashes between the PKK and security forces have increased since the general elections on June 12.

The PKK, listed as a terrorist group by Turkey and much of the international community, took up arms in 1984, sparking a conflict that has claimed some 45,000 lives.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=8-soldiers-killed-in-clashes-with-pkk-2011-08-17

[Serjik]

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Hahpk1975

I agree with you bro the protocols is the biggest defeat Armenia suffered in its modern history and Serzh is the responsible person for it. I mean I like him as Armenia's president because he is better than Levon but he is totally stupid for doing the protocols with Turks. Even Russians Iranians and Kurds like you say are against relations becoming normal with Armenians and Turks. We all know that Armenians are bad in politics.

[hahkp1975]

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very good post by Tigranakert
We should talk politics and not emotions like most of the Armenian naive posters in this forum
there were many instances of cooperation and practical approach between kurds and armenians from the 1900s till 70 s and 80s with ASALA/PKK link
I still remember meeting kurdish partisans from Razkari and PKK in Lebanon, who used to come and meet Armenian Party leaders in Eastern Beirut
the cooperation is there, the clear political agenda should be set on 2 fronts though, one with Armenian Republic and one with Armenian Diaspora, those 2 should unite their agendas (Serjik's latest protocols scandal with turkey does not help at all)
stop talking history and let us talk politics and future
I have been to Erbil and have seen the determination and organized spirit of the kurds, serious nation-building and exemplary approach , we should follow that trend and definitely Iraqi Kurdistan is going towards independence
Biji Kurdistan

[Artsakh]

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Iranian high-ranking officials killed in military crashes with Kurds

July 23, 2011 | 10:05

TEHRAN. - Iranian armed forces lost many servicemen during the military actions against Kurdish PJAK since July 16. PJAK commander Shirzad Kamanger informed that seven Iranian high-ranking officials were killed on Thursday, Firat agency reports.

According to Kurdish source, Iranian armed forces killed seven Kurds, while Iranian side lost 150-180 soldiers.

Land Forces Command of Iranian Guardian Army stated that the military operation will last until the territory clears off the Kurdish soldiers.

http://news.am/eng/news/68849.html

[gegev]

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I support a Kurdish state and hope when it finally and inevitably comes, they will be friends with Armenia. I worry that the Turks will once again subvert what should/could be good relations between Armenians and Kurds. Whether some Armenians and Kurds realize or not, we have much to offer on another and share a common enemy that wants to ultimately destroy both of us. Certainly relations are not perfect but can get better. From the Armenian point of view, it will take some more time for relations to be completely amicable and trust to be built.

This is what people call; rational thinking, thanks.

[Rando]

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I support a Kurdish state and hope when it finally and inevitably comes, they will be friends with Armenia. I worry that the Turks will once again subvert what should/could be good relations between Armenians and Kurds. Whether some Armenians and Kurds realize or not, we have much to offer on another and share a common enemy that wants to ultimately destroy both of us. Certainly relations are not perfect but can get better. From the Armenian point of view, it will take some more time for relations to be completely amicable and trust to be built.

thanks you for supporting an indeependent kurdistan,brother.
and yes,i agree 100% with you. kurds and armenians will hopefully become best friends one day.

[Joseph]

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come on,guys. armenians and kurds are friends today,not enemies.
i as a kurd know that kurds killed armenians durning the genocide,and im very sorry for that.

and artsakh,i saw in one of your first comments here that you wanted to know more about the kurdish army/peshmerga.
well,here are some information:
troops: 375 000
MBT (main battle tanks) :300-550 (100-200 T-72 most of them captured from saddam,some of them bought from russia)
MRL (multiple rocket laughers): 60-80 BM-21 GRAD
IFV: unknown
artilery: unknown
helicopters: 30 (black hawks bouth from US and Saudi arabia in 2006 and 2010)
and some hundreds of pt76 and 2S1 captured in 2003 (oporation Iraqi freedom)
we also bought some tanks from russia in 2004/05,but i dont know what kind. sorry

I support a Kurdish state and hope when it finally and inevitably comes, they will be friends with Armenia. I worry that the Turks will once again subvert what should/could be good relations between Armenians and Kurds. Whether some Armenians and Kurds realize or not, we have much to offer on another and share a common enemy that wants to ultimately destroy both of us. Certainly relations are not perfect but can get better. From the Armenian point of view, it will take some more time for relations to be completely amicable and trust to be built.

[Rando]

Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

come on,guys. armenians and kurds are friends today,not enemies.
i as a kurd know that kurds killed armenians durning the genocide,and im very sorry for that.

and artsakh,i saw in one of your first comments here that you wanted to know more about the kurdish army/peshmerga.
well,here are some information:
troops: 375 000
MBT (main battle tanks) :300-550 (100-200 T-72 most of them captured from saddam,some of them bought from russia)
MRL (multiple rocket laughers): 60-80 BM-21 GRAD
IFV: unknown
artilery: unknown
helicopters: 30 (black hawks bouth from US and Saudi arabia in 2006 and 2010)
and some hundreds of pt76 and 2S1 captured in 2003 (oporation Iraqi freedom)
we also bought some tanks from russia in 2004/05,but i dont know what kind. sorry

[Artsakh]

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Ankara alarmed as 13 troops killed in attack

Thirteen soldiers were killed and seven wounded in an ambush in Diyarbakır’s Silvan district, the Anatolia news agency reported Thursday. Alarmed by the news, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan canceled all of his programs and called for an emergency security meeting in his office in Ankara. Beşir Atalay, deputy prime minister in charge of security affairs, Gen. Işık Koşaner, the chief of General Staff, Hakan Fidaner, the head of the National Intelligence Organization, and Interior Minister İdris Naim Şahin joined the emergency meeting as Turkish Air Force jets started air operations in the region of the clash in Southeast Turkey.

The Democratic Society Congress, or DTK, an alleged front organization for the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, meanwhile met with 850 of its delegates in Diyarbakır on Thursday and announced the decision to start the process of what the group called a “democratic autonomy.” The ambush in Silvan was reportedly set up by the PKK, whose imprisoned leader has been discussing an extended truce with the government. As a first reaction to the incident, Parliament Speaker Cemil Çiçek said it was “Time for everyone to determine which side they are on: democracy or bloodshed.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=ankara-on-high-alert-as-13-killed-in-clashes-2011-07-14

[Artsakh]

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One soldier killed in attack in eastern Turkey

Monday, June 27, 2011
VAN - Anatolia News Agency

Suspected members of an outlawed group opened fire on a military vehicle in eastern Turkey, killing a soldier and wounding three others, the Anatolia news agency reported Monday.


The vehicle came under attack from the terrorist Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, in a rural area in the Van province, the report said.


Meanwhile, jailed PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan has sent peace proposals to Ankara aimed at ending 26 years of deadly conflict, a senior PKK member was quoted as saying Monday.


Öcalan, who retains his influence despite being behind bars, submitted three “protocols” to officials who met him in prison last month, Murat Karayılan, a senior name in the PKK, said in an interview with the Milliyet daily.


The papers call for constitutional reforms to grant the Kurds self-governance and Kurdish-language education as well as “conditions for total exclusion of violence and for disarmament on the basis of mutual forgiveness,” Karayılan said.


Öcalan also asked to be allowed to meet with anyone in prison “so that the process can function properly,” he said.


“The state delegation that met with Öcalan a month ago did not reject those protocols. They said they would take them up with the state and the government... We are waiting for a response,” Karayılan said.


“2011 should be the year of settlement. Otherwise, we will resist. We are at a very critical juncture,” he told Milliyet.


He spoke of a “window of opportunity” following the June 12 elections in which 36 pro-Kurdish candidates won parliamentary seats. He lamented however “a heavy blow to anticipations” when the authorities last week stripped one of the deputies of his seat and refused to release five others who were elected from jail, where they await trial for links to the PKK.


Karayılan spoke to Milliyet in the Qandil mountains of neighboring northern Iraq, a Kurdish-run region where the PKK has long taken refuge.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=one-soldier-killed-in-attack-in-eastern-turkey-2011-06-27