Politics in Hayastan

[londontsi]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Governments are put together by intellectuals, militarymen, politicians and businessman, not the people....

Can you name a few

intellectuals

militarymen

polititians

and businessmen


Who according to you should put a government and run the country.

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[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Can you name a few

intellectuals

militarymen

polititians

and businessmen


Who according to you should put a government and run the country.

.

A guy named Fukuyama wrote a book on it. I think he has another one out now to. His main premise makes sense.

[londontsi]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

A guy named Fukuyama wrote a book on it. I think he has another one out now to. His main premise makes sense.

I am not in a position to agree or disagree with you.

For me the acid test is how many countries are running on those guidelines and with what results.

It goes without saying that the perfect system in the hand of a corrupt operative will bring catastrophic results
no different than a loyal and patriotic people will not achieve their aspirations in the hand of a corrupt and incompetent ruler.

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[bell-the-cat]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I Armenia needs political evolution not a political revolution. Evolution takes time. Got that?

So for you the problem in Armenia is that Armenians are just not evolved enough compare to other nations?

If that is a correct outlook then Armenians must be especially slow evolving, or have started from an extremely un-evolved state, given that as a nation they have been around for longer than most and have had plenty of time to evolve.

[Mher]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Your not very convincing LOL

lmaoooo I just found what you are talking about hahahahahaha, Jesus Christ you people need some serious psychiatric help
I am really not an important enough person for you people to spend that much time on and actually find my facebook
then again, my friend Babken was mentioned in the same breath as fedayi Jirair Sefilian by you people, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
and lol I assure you I do not take that comedy blog by the boy living in his moms basement seriously enough to go read it, and then comment on that nonsense

[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I am not in a position to agree or disagree with you.

For me the acid test is how many countries are running on those guidelines and with what results.

It goes without saying that the perfect system in the hand of a corrupt operative will bring catastrophic results
no different than a loyal and patriotic people will not achieve their aspirations in the hand of a corrupt and incompetent ruler.

.

The acid test is China and the results are rather impressive. One of his books highlights the importance of national institutions and the kinds of people/leaders they produce. The focus on institutions is very much valid because it is the corruption of these institutions that produce corrupt leaders. In USA all political institutions are based on legalized forms of corruption so you will invariably get corrupt leaders. In China I vividly remember a case of poisoned dog food which was made in China and caused the deaths and illnesses of many pets. It was discovered that the (I think president of the company) knew about the issue and had been hiding the problems. This man was later executed! Think of the precedent that sets. Now compare that with the financial crises here in USA where many laws were broken by greedy people who got super-duper wealthy at the expense of the world economy and billions of people. Non of these people went to jail and no one was even charged with anything. What they did get was bailout money instead. Now consider the precedent this sets. You see corruption has everything to do with national institutions. If your institutions are strong and functional then you will produce good leaders but if they are corrupted then you will produce corrupted leaders. I do not agree with everything Mr Fukuyama writes but I do concur with his focus on institutions, he has also shown a willingness to accept the mistakes he has made and change course accordingly which is a admirable quality lacking in most people. Looking at how corrupt every branch of USA government has become is a reflection of the weaknesses of USA institutions which in turn will lead to disaster after disaster until people rise up and do something about it. What Armenia and indeed all countries should be doing is creating strong institutions very much like what the founders of USA did. Weak institutions lead to an open door for those who are looking to corrupt them for their own gains. Things like the constitution, separation of church and state, balance of powers between the branches of government are some examples of how strong institutions have helped in building a strong nation, they are also great examples of how corrupting these institutions will inevitably lead to a nations downfall. If you have strong and effective national institutions you will not get corrupt leaders. It is not easy and is very time consuming to build up such institutions. You need stability to have a shot at creating them. For Armenia stability is a rare luxury and the biggest reason why she has weak institutions and corruption.

[Mher]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Armenian President OKs Constitutional Reform Concept

President Serzh Sarkisian has given his general political endorsement to a constitutional reform that seeks to turn Armenia into a parliamentary republic despite still having “concerns” about the country’s “external and internal security” and “stability of the government system.”

In his remarks at a meeting with members of a specialized commission engaged in drafting the constitutional amendments Sarkisian described their concept as “progressive” and said that the changes will open “new opportunities for democratic development in Armenia”.

But he also presented some concerns that he said will have to be addressed in drafting the text of the amendments proper.

On Thursday, the Armenian president held a series of meetings with top members of the country’s leading parliamentary and extra-parliamentary parties most of which had earlier expressed their opposition to the reform.

Only one parliamentary opposition party, Armenian National Congress (HAK), whose representatives did not meet with the president as part of the consultations, refused to engage in any sort of discussions regarding the matter.

The HAK led by former president Levon Ter-Petrosian appears to be strongly in favor of the current presidential form of government, while the constitutional reform concept unveiled last year implies that Armenia will become a parliamentary republic with a powerful prime minister and a largely ceremonial president.

The Council of Europe’s Venice Commission gave a mostly positive assessment to the draft concept last year, but noted that the transition to a parliamentary republic requires “broad consensus within society.”

Earlier, a number of leading opposition parties expressed concern that the constitutional reform is, in fact, a means for Sarkisian and his ruling Republican Party of Armenia (HHK) to extend their political power for years ahead.

Sarkisian, however, has pledged not to seek a top government post after he leaves his current office in 2018, but as leader of the ruling party he is certain to remain influential in Armenian politics even without a formal government position.

Meeting with members of the specialized commission on constitutional amendments that was set up by his order back in 2013, President Sarkisian presented his opinion on the concept submitted to him last year.

“Of course, the arguments of the specialized commission on the transition to the parliamentary system of government are substantial. Moreover, the Venice Commission also considers that the parliamentary system of government can strengthen democracy in Armenia. At the same time, the consultations conducted with political forces show that there are no, nor objectively can be, unambiguously matching approaches: there are both those who speak for and against the system, there are also forces that consider their participation in this process to be important for their final decision, and the number of such forces is by far larger,” Sarkisian said, as quoted by his press office.

“Still, I have to be honest and say that the objective prerequisites underlying my position in favor of the current system of government that I expressed before have not significantly changed. I still have concerns that are related to your professional approach to the change of the government system.

“To be more specific, I still have no clear idea on how the proposed model will unconditionally guarantee the two most important components: the country’s external and internal security and stability of the government system, which, in my opinion, is ensured in conditions of the current model.”

Sarkisian referred to the concerns regarding the stability of the government system that the experts themselves expressed in the concept.

“Nevertheless, I will give political approval to the concept because I believe that we must use every opportunity to ensure a positive development for our state, especially that during my meetings no political party had any objection to the approval of the concept. At the same time, I ask you to draft such constitutional regulations that will unquestionably ensure the harmonious combination of a more democratic model of governance with the security and stability of the state,” President Sarkisian said.

The head of state further stressed that in preparing the text of the constitutional changes it is necessary to develop an “effective format for professional discussions with representatives of political parties”.

Sarkisian also emphasized that it is important that at all stages of the process there should be feedback from and “section-by-section, chapter-by-chapter discussions” with all political forces.

‘A new, more complex and at the same time more responsible stage of the work begins. I am confident that within months we will have a document with clear approaches and solutions,” the president concluded.

http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/26899299.html

[Serjik]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Bro I suggest you dont go back there. You are so simple minded you are your worst enemy LOL

lmaoooo I just found what you are talking about hahahahahaha, Jesus Christ you people need some serious psychiatric help I am really not an important enough person for you people to spend that much time on and actually find my facebook
then again, my friend Babken was mentioned in the same breath as fedayi Jirair Sefilian by you people, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised and lol I assure you I do not take that comedy blog by the boy living in his moms basement seriously enough to go read it, and then comment on that nonsense

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

lmaoooo I just found what you are talking about hahahahahaha, Jesus Christ you people need some serious psychiatric help

Hmmm. Is there anything useful to be found if I look?

Makes me long for the days of Middle East Forum and USC and the like - when the internet was young, trolls were real trolls, stalkers real stalkers, bastards real bastards, cowards real cowards, scum real scum, all of them with a sense of entitlement to be trolls, stalkers, bastards, cowards and scum, and where one could crush them all like bugs when desired and like bugs they'd always be back for a repeat crushing again and again and again. Ahhh nostalgia.

Bro I suggest...

And when there was not a single "bro" making suggestions.

[Eddo211]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

its good to know that our resident cat is not a Graywolf spy and really anti-turk.....nostalgia would be least of your problems you do something funny. you be marked jingles.