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  • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

    Notice how this piece by "Radio Liberty" attempts to tie the "Karabagh Oligarchs" to "closed borders"... They are using the peoples dissatisfaction against the Armenian state. This is all part of the plan to place a wedge between Armenia and Artsakh. Sadly, we have significant numbers of low-lives amongst us that happily and proudly go along with this agenda. What a sad-sad situation we are in... What did that pornik Levon and his xxxxed up followers do to us... I ask you all to please refrain from "debating" this topic with Levon supporters. These people are mentally retarded demons and low-class street porniks. xxxx them all - literally, physically and metaphorically. These people have damaged Armenia and they have pushed many of us reluctantly into the Serzh Sargsyan camp.

    Armenian

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    Armenia: Crisis Spotlights 'Karabakh Clan'


    By Brian Whitmore

    Sarkisian, Serzh; "Yes I am Karabakhian, but I am Armenian first" As Armenia's first post-Soviet president in the 1990s, Levon Ter-Petrossian brought in top officials from Nagorno-Karabakh to serve in his government. Today, as an opposition leader, Ter-Petrossian is the most outspoken critic of what he and his allies call the "Karabakh clan," lambasting his former proteges for raiding the country's treasury, strangling the economy, and stifling democracy.

    The main targets of the broadside have been outgoing President Robert Kocharian and his preferred successor, Serzh Sarkisian, the current prime minister who defeated Ter-Petrossian in Armenia's February 19 presidential election. Both Kocharian and Sarkisian hail from Nagorno-Karabakh, an Armenian-controlled and populated enclave within Azerbaijan over which Baku and Yerevan fought a war in 1988-94. Speaking on the campaign trail in February, Ter-Petrossian accused Kocharian and Sarkisian of bringing their Karabakh allies to Armenia and handing them the crown xxxels of the economy.

    "Because of these two persons, 15,000 people have moved from Karabakh to Armenia, mainly Yerevan, in the past 10 years," Ter-Petrossian said. "Each of them has been given a position. As if that wasn't enough, now the business sphere is also being given to them." Sarkisian's pat response to the criticism has been to say: "Yes I am Karabakhian, but I am Armenian first." Armenia's controversial election has led to allegations of fraud, government resignations, violent street protests, a deadly police crackdown, and a state of emergency. It has also exposed a deep rift in society between those born in Armenia proper and those from Nagorno-Karabakh who have resettled in the country.

    Critics allege that Karabakh Armenians have benefited from government favoritism and that Kocharian and Sarkisian have dragged their feet on formally ending the conflict to advance their cronies' business interests. Yerevan-based political analyst Stepan Grigorian, who is sympathetic to Ter-Petrossian and the opposition, says having a president from Nagorno-Karabakh "who governs Armenia very badly" has fueled resentment. "Certain negative feelings exist," Grigorian says. "They do not extend to ordinary people of Karabakh, but refer to those people who came to Armenia from there. Robert Kocharian brought many people with him, and appointed them to high positions. This created more caution. So yes, certain tension exists, of course."

    The Karabakh Oligarchs

    Armenia had control of Karabakh when a cease-fire was reached in 1994. But the victory came with a price, as Armenia's borders with Azerbaijan and Turkey have remained sealed. Ter-Petrossian, who became Armenia's first post-independence president in 1991, brought Sarkisian -- who was a senior military official in Nagorno-Karabakh -- to Yerevan in 1993 to serve as defense minister. In 1998, he named Kocharian, who served as chairman of Nagorno-Karabakh's State Defense Committee and later as president, Armenia's prime minister.

    It was a decision Ter-Petrossian soon regretted. He proposed a compromise solution to Azerbaijan on Nagorno-Karabakh that Kocharian staunchly opposed. Ter-Petrossian was forced to resign over the issue in February 1998 and Kocharian won a special election to succeed him. Under Kocharian, Sarkisian served in a number of posts including defense minister, interior minister, national-security minister, presidential chief of staff, and most recently, prime minister.

    Aram Abramian, editor in chief of the Yerevan-based daily newspaper "Aravot" and who has roots in Nagorno-Karabakh, says Kocharian and Sarkisian brought in associates from the territory who took over state posts and dominated the business elite. "There are 20, 30 families -- oligarchs -- people who, thanks to the opportunities that are provided to them by the authorities, became rich, and have wide possibilities of avoiding taxes and custom fees," Abramian says, adding that well-connected moguls were able to gain "monopolies" over fuel, sugar, and other commodities.

    "Others, who are less powerful, do not have this right," Abramian adds. "Not all of these people are from Karabakh. It does not matter where they come from -- the most important thing is for them to serve the authorities." Among those identified by analysts as part of the Karabakh clan are Kocharian's son, Sedrak, who reportedly controls mobile-phone imports; Barsegh Beglarian, who dominates the gas-station market; Mika Bagdasarov, who controls oil imports and heads the national airline; and Karen Karapetian, head of the Armrusgazard gas company, a joint venture with Russia's Gazprom.

    Closed Borders

    Abramian and other analysts say these oligarchs benefit from the lack of a final resolution to the Karabakh conflict and the closed borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan. "This is one of the reasons why these issues are not being solved, because to have open borders with Europe, Asia, and so on -- in [that] case, the flows of goods, in either direction, will be wider, and it will be more difficult to control them," Abramian says. "Now, however, when one narrow flow comes through Georgia and another, even narrower, comes via Iran, controlling these flows of goods is much easier."

    Observers say such arrangements also stifle local production, hinder small business development, and ultimately harm the country's economy. And that is a major reason why one of Ter-Petrossian's main bases of support is among small and mid-level entrepreneurs. "This kind of economy -- when the high-ranking officials are importing goods -- leads to these same officials not being interested in promoting local production," Grigorian says. "And, because of this, it is in very difficult shape now. So during the elections, mid-size and big business wholly supported Ter-Petrossian."

    There are slight cultural differences between native-born Armenians and those from Nagorno-Karabakh, according to analysts. Abramian says Karabakhians are more "favorably oriented toward Russia," are more likely to speak the Russian language, and are less religious than Armenians, for example. He adds, however, that it is the dominance of Kocharian and Sarkisian's allies that has fueled resentment against people from Nagorno-Karabakh, few of whom have benefited from the largesse.

    "Armenian people, our compatriots who live in Karabakh -- or, like me, have roots there -- have nothing to do with this," Abramian says. "They are Armenians just like everybody else. However, two people who have kept power throughout a decade -- and plan to do so for many more decades -- they indeed provoked certain negative attitude within the Armenian population. For it was not only them, but their relatives, acquaintances -- tens, hundreds of them -- arrived here, and occupied high-ranking positions and had successful business careers. This triggers a natural reaction."

    Source: http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle...F28755717.html
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    • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

      I strongly advise you all to watch this news report from Yerevan in its entirety:

      Երևան. մանրամասն մարտի մեկի իրադարձությունների մասին (1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlXx...eature=related

      Երևան. մանրամասն մարտի մեկի իրադարձությունների մասին (2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU__v...eature=related

      Երևան. մանրամասն մարտի մեկի իրադարձությունների մասին (3): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccYoo...eature=related

      Երևան. մանրամասն մարտի մեկի իրադարձությունների մասին (4): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tI2E...eature=related
      Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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      • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

        That Nikol Pashinian character is caught on tape inciting the crowd to take up arms. Did the authorities arrest this scumbag yet?

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        • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

          Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
          That Nikol Pashinian character is caught on tape inciting the crowd to take up arms. Did the authorities arrest this scumbag yet?
          Yes, he is arrested. He was one of the first ones taken in. The authorities seem to be seriously going after him. The nature of the crime he committed is very serious. I have a feeling they are going to make an example out of him. Perhaps he'll be one of the sacrificial lambs if they do make a deal behind the scenes. Anyway, I don't think he'll be using bullhorns anymore. I want to see the bullhorn shoved up his ass - side ways!
          Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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          • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

            Originally posted by Artsakh
            So does the J E W I SH community of Armenia, as well as the government of Turkey.
            is'nt the backing of the president a formality, like they did with kings of the old times that they acknoladge that you are king of your country. And if Levon had won whole the world would have done the same even powers who didn't wanted to see him win.

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            • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

              I do think the political situation has boiled down in Armenia. I believe the tension will die down especially after the state of emergency is lifted. I don't believe anybody has the guts to join Levon again after seeing what chaos it created. Especially with many of Levon' supporters suppressed, the political situation will stabilize it's only a matter of time.
              Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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              "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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              • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

                When I’m reading all this, I’m really getting upset.

                At this point I don’t care who is right or who is wrong in this election, I just care that my people wouldn’t suffer!
                I want to see unity in a face of growing danger!
                I hate when someone divides us on different districts, clans, looks etc it only gives pleasure to our enemies!
                I don’t care who is president, or what party in power, I want Armenia to be properly safeguarded!

                Pls keep in mind that many people (friends and foes) reading your posts, and making conclusions!

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                • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

                  A gift to Sargsyan from Moscow...

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                  Russia's Putin invites new Armenian PM to Moscow



                  Russian President Vladimir Putin has invited Armenian Prime Minister Serzh Sarksyan, winner of a disputed presidential election, to visit Moscow, news agencies quoted the Kremlin press service as saying on Monday. Armenian President Robert Kocharyan imposed a state of emergency on March 1 during street battles between police and protesters which killed eight people. The protesters say Kocharyan rigged the Feb. 19 election for his ally Sarksyan, who officially won with 53 percent of the vote against 21.5 percent for his nearest rival, former president Levon Ter-Petrosyan. On Saturday Armenia's constitutional court upheld the result of the election. "The invitation was accepted with gratitude," RIA-Novosti quoted the Kremlin as saying. It did not say when Sarksyan would visit Moscow. Ter-Petrosyan has previously said he will continue protests after the end of the 20-day emergency rule. Both sides have refused to negotiate. Western powers have urged Armenia to lift the emergency laws and on Monday Kocharyan did lift minor provisions of the laws. But soldiers still patrol the streets of Yerevan, public meetings are still banned and an information blackout remains in force. Russia is ex-Soviet Armenia's largest foreign investor. Armenia lies on the edge of the volatile Caucasus region across which runs a pipeline pumping oil from Asia to Europe. Any instability in Armenia is considered a threat to regional stability.

                  Source: http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...32401220080310

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                  And this, a nice little gift from Washington to Levon and his petty street porniks...

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                  U.S. State Department backs President-elect Sargsyan - Bryza


                  Washington backs Armenian President- elect Serzh Sargsyan, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Matthew Bryza said, the Armenian governmental press service told Interfax. Bryza said at a meeting with Sargsyan a day earlier that he, as well as the U.S. charge d'affaires in Armenia, thinks that the Armenian president-elect has the vision and approach that the United States would like to see during the implementation of joint projects. The U.S. diplomat also said that the U.S. wishes that Sargsyan and his country are successful. Sargsyan and Bryza also discussed plans aimed at excluding instances of involving the violations of the ceasefire at the Armenian- Azeri contact line in Nagorno-Karabakh, similar to the incidents on March 4.

                  Source: http://www.interfax.com/3/372482/news.aspx
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                  • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

                    Originally posted by Artsakh
                    At the end of the end, in order for your house to be stable, it is the Armenian people of Armenia that must recognize the president and not foreign governments or foreign statesmen.

                    That's secondary.

                    How dare the forum member "armenian" try to paint a picture of a struggle going on in Armenia between hayastany's and artsakhsis?

                    an unprecedented 1 million "hayastancy's" on their feet in 1988 screaming "karabakh is ours". "hayastancy" batallions from all over the republic of Armenia, gyumri, yerevan, ejmiadzin, vanadzor went to Artsakh to liberate and defend it. And this guy has the nerve to speak of a struggle between Artsakh and armenia armenians?

                    Is jirayr sefilyan a "yerevantsi", or is tigran torosyan, dodi gago "artsakhsi"?

                    For the person who doesn't know, Jiraryr is a diaspora Armenian, and Tigran Torosyan and Dodi Gago and Arthur Baghdasaryan are "Hayastancy" and NOT natives of Artsakh.

                    And is there any doubt that, god forbid, a bar breaks out, that thousands of "hayastancys" will be fighting for the defense of hayots Artsakh?
                    I think the majority of the Armenians support serj, and they really don't want Levon do come back. Having said that, I don't believe this is strugle between hayastanci and artsakhjan hayer. I'm sure if something happens thousands of hayastancik will go and fight from all over Hayastan. This BS we have seen has been fighting between the elite and not the common people of Hayastan and Artsakh.

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                    • Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

                      Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                      I think the majority of the Armenians support serj, and they really don't want Levon do come back.
                      That's correct. Although a majority of the people may not be happy with the current administration, a majority don't want Levon to come back.

                      Having said that, I don't believe this is strugle between hayastanci and artsakhjan hayer.
                      Unfortunately, you are wrong here. Don't listen to the empty words of this street porniq called "Artsakh," when you get a chance spend some time in Yerevan or Los Angeles and discuss politics with the people. The first thing you will notice is that a significant portion of Armenian society especially in Yerevan express 'severe' hostility towards Artsakh Armenians. The hostility is not directed specifically towards "corrupt" individuals from Artsakh, but the whole region of Artsakh. Many Yerevantsis today blame their bad socioeconomic situation solely on Artsakh and Artsakhis. This condition gradually evolved during the past five to ten years as a result of poisonous rhetoric spread by HHSh party representatives and the ruling administration's carelessness. I have been complaining about this situation for a long time. I see this situation has potentially dangerous to the very existence of the Armenian Republic. Sadly, however, this situation has not been discussed much amongst Armenians and, as a result, we are seeing its fruits today.

                      I'm sure if something happens thousands of hayastancik will go and fight from all over Hayastan.
                      Unfortunately, you are wrong again. Although many will go and fight, it will not be anyway near what it was like in the late 80s and the early 90s, when the movement/struggle was fresh. Fortunately, we have a well organized military in Armenia and Artskah with political support from Moscow and Tehran. The aforementioned will save Armenia from destruction, not Armenia's people.

                      I will 'never' forgive what Levon and his supporters did to my nation. I have already severed my ties with several Levon's supporters whom I considered to be friends.
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