The Western Armenian Language Thread

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ARGENTINA replied

10-24-2008, 03:19 AM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post

This is a language thread concerning questions about Western Armenian. If you don't want to post on that topic, go somewhere else.

read once again ,think twice ,finally count three before writing will make more sense for everyone.The western armenian language is more attractive and has lot work done in it because the center of armenian culture was in Istanbul and promenant armenian writers emerged from anatolian and isatnbul land.All languages evolve and are made of many dialects, and Armenian is not an exception. Armenians in Karabakh have a different dialect than Armenians in Yerevan, while Armenians in Persia speak Armenian with some phonetic characteristics associated with Persian. The two main variants today are “Western Armenian”, spoken mainly by Armenians raised outside of Armenia and “Eastern Armenian” spoken by Armenians raised in Armenia, Iran and the states of the ex-USSR. There are many historic reasons for this division in two variants, namely the establishment of a Western-oriented Armenian kingdom in Cilicia in the Middle Ages, away from the Armenian homeland, and more recently, attempts by the USSR to assimilate Armenians. There are notable differences between the two, especially on the exact pronunciation of consonants, although both have differences with traditional Armenian. In short, , the orthography and spelling of Western Armenian is more in line with the original Armenian alphabet, as defined by its inventor Mesrop Mashtots. What the Armenian language needs is a revival. The Western Armenian spelling, Alphabet structure and pronunciation of vowels must be imposed, while the Eastern Armenian pronunciation of consonants must be kept. Hence one language can be used, and an Armenian named “Daniel” or “Abraham” does not have to be called “Taniel” or “Apraham” by other Armenians. If Armenians around the world can not even agree on something so fundamental as the type of language that they will speak, how can they agree on a common vision for the prosperity, enlightenment and flourishing of the Armenian ethnic identity? This type of linguistic inconsistency contributes to alienate Armenians further from the Armenian identity.

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yerazhishda replied

10-24-2008, 12:46 AM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Originally posted by truAnatolian View Post

How are Armenians in Turkey doing? Thats a great website, it looks like they are staying strong. What was your personal experience Argentina?

Originally posted by ARGENTINA View Post

on contrary of a lot of flashy named participants in this forum who mostly detest armenians in turkey ( some of them even have the ignorance of calling them traitors) I can say lots of ideas and political and administrative theories about turkish armenians that I have read here dont reflect any reasonable and logic truth whatsoever.Some of them declared if armenians in turkey have no value at all,imagine in what state of mind one could find himself to declare that ,well lets put this aside for a moment .Armenians in turkey are struggling to be fine it is not easy ,Turkey is not USA nor Argentine for them,life could be unbearable but every time there could be found a easy solution to overcome difficulties .Argentine on the other side is my second homeland I like it a lot, Argentine and her way of life is just harmoniously terrific. Why I feel so close because your surroundings gives you something unconsciously which enriches your life quality for better

This is a language thread concerning questions about Western Armenian. If you don't want to post on that topic, go somewhere else.
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ARGENTINA replied

10-23-2008, 07:29 PM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Originally posted by truAnatolian View Post

How are Armenians in Turkey doing? Thats a great website, it looks like they are staying strong. What was your personal experience Argentina?

on contrary of a lot of flashy named participants in this forum who mostly detest armenians in turkey ( some of them even have the ignorance of calling them traitors) I can say lots of ideas and political and administrative theories about turkish armenians that I have read here dont reflect any reasonable and logic truth whatsoever.Some of them declared if armenians in turkey have no value at all,imagine in what state of mind one could find himself to declare that ,well lets put this aside for a moment .Armenians in turkey are struggling to be fine it is not easy ,Turkey is not USA nor Argentine for them,life could be unbearable but every time there could be found a easy solution to overcome difficulties .Argentine on the other side is my second homeland I like it a lot, Argentine and her way of life is just harmoniously terrific. Why I feel so close because your surroundings gives you something unconsciously which enriches your life quality for better
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truAnatolian replied

10-23-2008, 06:43 PM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

How are Armenians in Turkey doing? Thats a great website, it looks like they are staying strong. What was your personal experience Argentina?
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ARGENTINA replied

10-23-2008, 03:28 PM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

thanks a lot that I was educated and graduated from Istanbul GETRONAGAN VARJARAN COLLEGE (1886- 2008 +). Reading the contributors remarks on armenian language and their questions make me thinking that in turkey we were lot a head from you all ,thanks god and thanks for our professors in Getronagan that enabled us to study armenian language,armenian history and armenian religion in depth. of course I have to mention MIHITARYAN, ESAYAN,PANGALTI,SURP HAC, equally have importance in educating armenian scholars their mother tongue, for brief information www.getronagan.org is worth to vizit .
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womble replied

10-23-2008, 12:42 PM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Literature produced by the Armenian community organisations in the UK (and communications from the Armenian Embassy in London addressed to the Armenian community in the UK) are usually in 'pre-sovietised' (ie. Mesropian) Eastern Armenian.
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Federate replied

10-23-2008, 05:22 AM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Originally posted by Lucin View Post

But the Mesropian orthography is maintained, in Iran for instance.

Yeah I should've mentioned. Iran survived the Soviet reform of the Mesrobian orthography so it's the last place where all Eastern Armenian speakers know and use Mesrobian only
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Lucin replied

10-23-2008, 02:12 AM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Originally posted by Federate View Post

Not true. Just because some Western Armenians use some Turkish words or expressions when speaking or know how to speak Turkish does not mean the language has been influenced. This is an urban myth. Go read any Western Armenian text and find me a single Turkish word that is being substituted for an Armenian word. You won't find the "ishteh", the "nasil sen", the "cok guzel", the "efferim"... etc. You will find none, even for those dating to Ottoman times...

Turkish words? How about saying distorted Persian and Arabic? Hope Ara doesn't get upset.

Eastern Armenian was not "warped", the Mesrobian orthography was warped. One thing that happened was the loss of իւ. This was eliminated and replaced with յու, which are two entirely different things. But beyond that, the language is pretty much the same.

But the Mesropian orthography is maintained, in Iran for instance.
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truAnatolian replied

10-22-2008, 06:49 PM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Ishteh and Efferim are Turkish?!!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo!
lol Kididng, I really don't care I still use Jeyran, Chenteh, Bizdek, Bebek etc Its become natural.

Yallah emshee:P
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Federate replied

10-22-2008, 06:48 AM
Re: The Western Armenian Language Thread

Originally posted by truAnatolian View Post

Western Armenian has much Turkish influence

Not true. Just because some Western Armenians use some Turkish words or expressions when speaking or know how to speak Turkish does not mean the language has been influenced. This is an urban myth. Go read any Western Armenian text and find me a single Turkish word that is being substituted for an Armenian word. You won't find the "ishteh", the "nasil sen", the "cok guzel", the "efferim"... etc. You will find none, even for those dating to Ottoman times. Some (mostly the older generation, for obvious reasons) people using (useless) expressions while speaking is one thing but to say the entire language is influenced by Turkish is another and very wrong. It's like saying that Western Armenian has been influenced by English if you speak like this "So, inchbes es? I hope amen inch lav eh".

Easter Armenian was warped during the soviet Era

Eastern Armenian was not "warped", the Mesrobian orthography was warped. One thing that happened was the loss of իւ. This was eliminated and replaced with յու, which are two entirely different things. But beyond that, the language is pretty much the same.
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