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  • #81
    Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

    Any Greek words in Armenian?

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    • #82
      Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

      A nice list of all the Proto-Indo-European reconstructions. You can look for tons of roots here that have modern reflexes in English and Armenian: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/l.../pie-agri.html

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      • #83
        Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

        Originally posted by Ephestion View Post
        Any Greek words in Armenian?
        of course there are. Many of the comparisons we're making between Armenian and English could be made with Greek too, all pointing to common roots. There are some that are distinct comparisons to Armenian and Greek however, but I'm not one to make them as I can't verify the specialized meanings of Greek words, I simply don't speak the language.

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        • #84
          Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

          Originally posted by Armenian View Post
          By the way, in your Armenian/Persian list you did not differentiate between words that have been borrowed and words that have been inherited. The interesting part in this discussion are the 'inherited' words, not the borrowed words.
          I hear you. I will come back to this and distinguish them when I find time.

          Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
          A nice list of all the Proto-Indo-European reconstructions. You can look for tons of roots here that have modern reflexes in English and Armenian: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/l.../pie-agri.html
          Thanks. It's very useful.

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          • #85
            Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

            Originally posted by Lucin View Post
            Thanks. It's very useful.
            Yeah, I felt like I struck internet gold there.

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            • #86
              Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

              Originally posted by Armenian View Post
              Revised list for Armenian-English:

              Kov (Cow), muk (mouse), sqiyur (squirrel), vagr (tiger), katu (cat), shun (hound), lusin (lunar), lus-aber (light bearer/Lucifer), armuk (elbow), ach (eye), vod (foot), mek (mono), tasn (ten), hinq (five), ut/okht (eight), in (nine), chors (four), get (wet), tur (door), ber (bear/burden), qar/qarord (quarter/four), tarnal (to turn), ser (sex), eight, serm (sperm), karq (cart), hot (herd), jisht (just), her (hair), shakal (jackal), ut-el (eat), ls-el (to listen), es-el (to say), qar (rock pronounced backwards), kuj (jug pronounced backwards), lav (well pronounced backwards), ov (who pronounced backwards), buys/tup (bush), tsul (bull), entanur (entire), otar (other), nor (new), glor (globe), mard (man), meas (meat), mayr (mother), hayr (father), dustr (daughter), yeghbayr (brother), khor-ovel (char-broil), duyl (pail), gini (wine), berd (fort), patker (picture), petur (feather), kt-rel (to cut), manr (mini), mrmral (murmur), tapalel (topple), mets (mega), hur (fire/pyr), du (you), astgh (star/aster), jarb (lard), em (I am), charcharel (torture), mich-in (middle), ayo (yes/ay/ya), vorb (orphan), hod (odor), lao (lad), metagh (metal), patizh (punish), sirt (heart), dev (devil), surb (saint), kam (come), gray (korsh), mid (mind), aq (axle), partez (garden), paytsar (bright), sprel (spread/spew), srs-gich (syringe), lezu (lingual), mer-nil (mortal), vat (bad), ayt/da (that), e (the), jerm (worm), sard (spider), vort (worm), sur (sword), lij (lake), bayts (but), agh (salt), barg (bag), qsak (sack), at-el (to hate), gam (come), la-l (to lament), yur (your/his/her), chl-el (to chuck), ard (yard/orchard), goriz (core), gna (go), qats (kick), sirt (heart), amur (armor???), napastak (rabbit???), hasdat-el (fasten???), hska (husky???), shant (bolt???), ashun (autumn???), zndan (dungeon???)...
              The following trilogy are words common in Armenian, Persian and English with some phonological shifts which are interesting in my opinion to be compared. It would be more interesting to find the source of these words and see how they have evolved and which has remained closer to the source language, though I'm assuming a few of them such as; bad and devil are Persian words adopted by English and Armenian. Feel free to refute any of them.

              Armenian/ Persian/ English

              Shakar/ shekar/ sugar
              Dur/ dar/ door
              Ber/ bar/ bear
              Dustr/ dokhtar/ daughter
              B(p)nak/ boshghab/ plate
              Vat/ bad/ bad
              Vagr/ babr/ tiger
              Gayl/ gorg/ wolf
              Astgh/ setare/ star
              Kov/ gav/ cow
              Tas/ dah/ ten
              Inn/ noh/ nine
              Ut/ hasht / eight
              Heru/ dur/ far
              petur/ par/ feather
              Bibar/ felfel/ pepper [I think in felfel the shift from p to f is an Arabic influence]
              Sard/ tsurd/ cold
              Koshik/ kafsh/ shoe
              Muk/ mush/ mouse
              Dzar/ derakht/ tree
              Gordz/ kar/ work
              Degh/ daru/ drug

              Mek/ yek/ mono (?) [There are examples such as this one where the Armenian word can be a cognate with both Persian word and the English word but curiously the English (mono) and the Persian (yek) word do not have anything in common.]

              Getin/zamin/ geo (?) [Again here the Armenian word getin sounds close to both zamin as well as geo but the two latter do not seem to have something in common.]

              Chors/ chahar/ four
              Mayr/ madar/ mother
              Hayr/ pedar/ father
              Yeghbayr/ baradar/ brother
              Du/ to/ you
              Em/ am/ I am
              Michin/ miyani/ middle
              Ayo/ are/ yes (yeah)
              Dev/ div/ devil
              Mernel/ mordan/ mortal
              Vort/ kerm/ worm
              Zendan/ zndan/ dungeon
              Degh/ daru/ drug
              Last edited by Lucin; 12-12-2008, 10:45 AM.

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              • #87
                Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

                Not sure about these, but they sound similar to me:

                noren/again
                gogort/throat
                yergoo/two
                haryur/hundred
                cherm/warm
                kerezman/cemetary
                sdorakrutyun/signature
                khoomp/group
                tshnami/enemy
                Last edited by ArmSurvival; 12-12-2008, 11:16 AM.

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                • #88
                  Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

                  I remember hearing that the musical instrument, the lute, takes its name from the Arabic al ud, meaning 'the wood'. I wonder if the word duduk comes from the same root.
                  Last edited by womble; 12-16-2008, 03:43 PM.

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                  • #89
                    Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

                    noren/again (doubt it, "nor" in noren means new, is there anything in "again" that suggests such a meaning or any particle that could possibly be related to a root form's meaning? If so, find it for me)
                    gogort/throat (makes sense)
                    yergoo/two (yes)
                    hayrur/hundred (yes)
                    cherm/warm (most probably)
                    kerezman/cemetary (implausible, the oldest root form we could get for cemetery is Greek "koimē- (var. s. of koimân to put to sleep) + -tērion suffix of locality [from dictionary.com]. The koime- root has more to do with Armenian "kenal" or "kenanal" than anything in kerezman)
                    sdorakrutyun/signature (implausible, right off the bat: compound particle "kerel" finds no cognate in signature)
                    khoomp/group (makes sense)
                    tshnami/enemy (makes sense)

                    Glad to see this thread come alive again!
                    Last edited by jgk3; 12-17-2008, 03:24 PM.

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                    • #90
                      Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

                      Did anyone say

                      yugh (oil)?

                      reminding those who don't see how that "gh" in Armenian is a sound change from PIE "l"

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