Armenian cognates w/other languages

[Armenian]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

And even though Armenia was only shortly a province of the Empire, I am sure that they had trade and political relationships, before and after.

In these types of situations the nation that is doing the 'borrowing' usually borrows words/terms that they don't already have. For example: Armenians may have borrowed the word Catapult from the Romans because Catapults did not exist in Armenia. But why would Armenians borrow a word for the moon if it already existed? Besides, Armenia was never really under strong Roman influence. The only heavy "foreign" influence we Armenians have readily absorbed into our culture and gene pool is Persian/Parthian.

Armenian, do you have any sources that could help confirm this? Are there records in Ancient Armenian mythology that have a related form of Armenian "Luys"?

The Armenian word Lusin, as with all other celestial terms in the Armenian lexicon, is an ancient word that most likely predates Rome by thousands of years. You are correct in your assumption that the Armenian Lusin and the Latin Lucis were inherited/derived from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) root.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Thanks Armenian.

[Armenian]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Several more words that came to mind.

Arm: gam/kam Eng: come

Arm: la-l Eng: to lament

Arm: yur Eng: your/his/her

Arm: chl-el Eng: to chuck

Arm: ard/art Eng: yard (orchard)

And four probables.

Arm: goriz/koriz Eng: core (nucleus)

Arm: gna/kna Eng: go

Arm: qats Eng: kick

Arm: sird/Sirt Eng: heart

[yerazhishda]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Arm: Arvestaget Eng: Artist

Also, if you take into consideration the tendency in Armenian to add 'v' as a buffer within words (similary with 'l' and 'gh' as jgk3 stated before), 'arest' is definitely not that far off from 'art' or 'artist'.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

I would like to point out that Latin pronounced their "c"s as "k"s, so Caesar was pronounced Kaysar (Germans were the only ones who got the pronouncing like the Roman one in "Kaiser").

Thanks for correcting me, jgk3. You are probably a lot more knowledgeable in the field of linguistics than I am as you study it, right? It was just an idea I thought to throw out there as ever since I first heard the word "lusin (moon)" I always made a connection in my head with roots such as "lus" or even "luna".

As a side note, the 'lus' root is also shared in English words such as 'hallucination', 'illustrious', etc.

Turning Luk (Phonetic pronunciation of the Latin root for light) into Armenian Luys requires an apt phonologically described process in Armenian that would explain such a transformation of the Latin form to produce our word. You could note more similarity in the nominative/genitive form Lukis (Lucis) to Armenian Luys. If you could build a case of Armenian language at some point in its history liking to borrow Latin nominative/genitive forms, that would help you sound more convincing.

I would build a better case, but I don't think I'm ready to write my doctoral thesis on the subject just yet.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

haha, it's ok yeraz, and yes I am studying linguistics and enjoying it very much.

Btw, the words with luc in English (illustrious and hallucination) are french loan words, which in turn are likely to by Romance inheritences in the French language, meaning to say that they are derived from Latin.

I would take care however with the treatment of arvestaget as very similar in surface structure to artist. Which segment of each of these words denotes a person? in English it is the -ist suffix, and in Armenian? My intuition tells me it is the -aget suffix, not the -est- which is in the middle of the word as I don't know what this denotes morphologically in Armenian.

My armenian vocabulary is not very rich, I only use it at home and rarely use the word for art, so I'm asking, what is it, arest?

I like this thread because it is expanding my Armenian vocabulary, I'm used to having to resort to English or French words, or much more general Armenian words to refer to specific things that don't come up in every day speech and it makes me feel weak in my language. I try hard to turn this around and this thread is helping me.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Several more words that came to mind.

Arm: gam/kam Eng: come

Arm: la-l Eng: to lament

Arm: yur Eng: your/his/her

Arm: chl-el Eng: to chuck

Arm: ard/art Eng: yard (orchard)

And four probables.

Arm: goriz/koriz Eng: core (nucleus)

Arm: gna/kna Eng: go

Arm: qats Eng: kick

Arm: sird/Sirt Eng: heart

Thanks for adding more. The last one with heart and sird is already established as common Indo-European inheritence.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

I would take care however with the treatment of arvestaget as very similar in surface structure to artist. Which segment of each of these words denotes a person? in English it is the -ist suffix, and in Armenian? My intuition tells me it is the -aget suffix, not the -est- which is in the middle of the word as I don't know what this denotes morphologically in Armenian.

My armenian vocabulary is not very rich, I only use it at home and rarely use the word for art, so I'm asking, what is it, arest?

You are correct, the "-get/-ked" part denotes a person. A similar word is "kraked" which means 'writer/author'. And yes, arvest means art.

[Armenian]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

You are correct, the "-get/-ked" part denotes a person. A similar word is "kraked" which means 'writer/author'. And yes, arvest means art.

Yerazh, ked/get denotes "knowledge" - Kidutyun/Gitutyun.

Arhestaget = artisan, a person that has knowledge of a craft carpentry, bricklaying, potter, metal worker, etc...

Arvestaget = artist, a person that has knowledge of art.

Graget = writer, a person that has knowledge of writing.

I am not sure of the origin of the word "art/arvest". Unless one can prove that the concept of "art" existed during the proto-Indo-European time period, I would suspect that the word "arvest" in Armenian is not inherited from PIE but borrowed from either French or Latin. The same may apply to the word taghand - talent.

[womble]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

payts/bayts - but

ked (suffix derived from kidnal, to know) - ken (Scottish word for 'know' as in "I dinna ken")

Lij - lake

goshig/koshik - shoe

voki - vocal (involves breath which is related to spirit [as in inspire, respiration etc.])