Armenian cognates w/other languages

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

otar - other, outer
ays, ayt, ayn - this, that, yon
arch - arch (latin for bear)
sharzhel (to move) - charge
hivand - heave... okay, now I'm getting carried away!

Those are interesting ones womble. I've thought about sharzhel in the past, I don't know how the meaning of charge in English is related to move, but it may very well be a specialized meaning of a root etymologically related to Armenian Sharzhel.

[ara87]

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Those are interesting ones womble.

yeah i never thought of the "otar-other/outer" connection

I don't know how the meaning of charge in English is related to move

"CHARGE!!!!"

[Armenian]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

otar - other, outer
ays, ayt, ayn - this, that, yon
arch - arch (latin for bear)
sharzhel (to move) - charge
hivand - heave... okay, now I'm getting carried away!

English is not a good origin indicator to use here because the English language is fundamentally a bastardized language; its foundation is Germanic, yet it has a vocabulary that is predominantly French and classical Latin, and to a lesser extent Celtic (British) and Scandinavian. For example, the word "charge" is actually a French word meaning to attack or to take responsibility. It may somehow be connected with the Armenian word to move, sharzhel, but it would only mean that its connection is to the French word and not the English word. So, let's bear that in mind.

There are two types of words we are discussing here. One is 'borrowed/loaned' words that are either not native to Armenia (words such as narinj/orange or shakar/sugar) or words that have been borrowed due to religious reasons (such as Shabat or Kahana)... The other is 'inherited' words that were apparently shared by the theorized proto-Indo-European (Aryan) tribes of the prehistoric world before their split.

The following are interrelated 'inherited' words (not loaned/borrowed words) that I have personally noticed between Armenian and English, regardless of the origin of the English terms in question. Also note that some of the Armenian words may be of ancient Parthian/Persian origin.

Let's play:

Kov (Cow), muk (mouse), sqiyur (squirrel), vagr (tiger), katu (cat), shun (hound), lusin (lunar), lus-aber (light bearer/Lucifer), armuk (elbow), ach (eye), vod (foot), get (wet), tur (door), ber (bear/burden), qar/qarord (quarter/four), tarnal (to turn), ser (sex), serm (sperm), kark (cart), hot (herd), jisht (just), her (hair), shakal (jackal), ut-el (eat), ls-el (to listen), es-el (to say), qar (rock pronounced backwards), kuj (jug pronounced backwards), lav (well pronounced backwards), ov (who pronounced backwards), buys/tup (bush), tsul (bull), entanur (entire), otar (other), nor (new), glor (globe), meas (meat), mayr (mother), hayr (father), dustr (daughter), yeghbayr (brother), khor-ovel (char-broil), duyl (pail), gini (wine), berd (fort), patker (picture), petur (feather), kt-rel (to cut), manr (mini), mrmral (murmur), tapalel (topple), mets (mega), hur (fire/pyr), du (you), astgh (star/aster), jarb (lard), em (I am), charcharel (torture), mich (middle), ayo (yes/ay/ya), vorb (orphan), hod (odor), lao (lad), metagh (metal), patizh (punish), sirt (heart), dev (devil), surb (saint), kam (come), mid (mind), aq (axle), partez (garden), paytsar (bright), hasdad (fasten), sprel (spread/spew), srs-gich (syringe), lezu (lingual), mer-nil (mortal), vat (bad), ayt/da (that), e (the), jerm (worm), sard (spider), vort (worm), sur (sword), bayts (but), agh (salt), barg (bag), qsak (sack), at-el (to hate), gam (come), la-l (to lament), yur (your/his/her), chl-el (to chuck) ard (yard/orchard), goriz (core), gna (go), qats (kick), sirt (heart), amur (armor???), hska (husky???), ashun (autumn???), zndan (dungeon???)...

Anymore?

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Nice contribution Armenian!

And yes you're right about the fact that not all the words we are referring to in English are inherited. There's so many of these cases that it hardly needs mentioning anymore, then again, many people simply don't realize.

[Lucin]

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Kov (Cow), muk (mouse), sqiyur (squirrel), vagr (tiger), katu (cat), shun (hound), lusin (lunar), lus-aber (light bearer/Lucifer), armuk (elbow), ach (eye), vod (foot), get (wet), tur (door), ber (bear/burden), qar/qarord (quarter/four), tarnal (to turn), ser (sex), serm (sperm), kark (cart), hot (herd), jisht (just), her (hair), shakal (jackal), ut-el (eat), ls-el (to listen), es-el (to say), qar (rock pronounced backwards), kuj (jug pronounced backwards), lav (well pronounced backwards), ov (who pronounced backwards), buys/tup (bush), tsul (bull), entanur (entire), otar (other), nor (new), glor (globe), meas (meat), khor-ovel (char-broil), duyl (pail), gini (wine), berd (fort), patker (picture), petur (feather), kt-rel (to cut), manr (mini), mrmral (murmur), tapalel (topple), mets (mega), hur (fire/pyr), du (you), astgh (star/aster), jarb (lard), em (I am), charcharel (torture), mich (middle), ayo (yes/ay/ya), vorb (orphan), hod (odor), lao (lad), metagh (metal), patizh (punish), sirt (heart), dev (devil), surb (saint), kam (come), mid (mind), aq (axle), partez (garden), paytsar (bright), hasdad (fasten), sprel (spread/spew), vat (bad), ayt/da (that), jerm (worm), sard (spider), vort (worm), atel (hate???) amur (armor???), hska (husky???), ashun (autumn???), zndan (dungeon???)...

Anymore?

her in Armenian means hair?

I have always heard/ used the word maz as well as vars referring to hair.


Now let's compare it with some Persian words:

Armenian/ Persian:

Panir/panir, kuj/kuze, nur/ anar, nizak/neyze, vat/ bad, drnaban/ darban, koshik/ kafsh, mek/ yek, chors/ chahar, hing/ panj, yot/ haft, ut/ hasht, in/ noh, tas/ dah, spitak/ sepid, sev/ siyah, gayl/ gorg, yar/ yar, pogh/ pul, karmir/ ghermez, mijin/ miyane, maz/ mu, armunk/ arenj, arjan/ arzan, bakht/ bakht, arjani/ arzani, matit/ medad, tsurd/ sard, ayd/ an, du/ to, menk/ ma, petur/ par, shakar/ shekar, takhtak/ takhte, astgh/ setare, nor/ no, muk/ mush, zrah/ zereh, gohar/ gohar, tshnami/ doshman, das/ dars, dur/ dar, barak/ barik, pigh/ fil, kov/ gav, katu/ gorbe, gulba/ jurab, karag/ kare, razmakan/ razmi...

Add more if you can.

[Federate]

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her in Armenian means hair?

I have always heard/ used the word maz as well as vars referring to hair.

Indeed Lucin jan. «Հեր», «մազ» եւ «վարս» հոմանիշ բառեր են։ Բայց «մազ» ամենէն գործածուածն է ամէն օրուայ խօսակցութեան մէջ։

[Armenian]

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«Ծամ»ն եք մորանում...

There are 'four' words denoting "hair" in Armenian; ծամ, հեր, մազ եւ վարս. These words may indicate the presence of four different prehistoric tribal groups within Armenia's ethnogenesis.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

I use maz the most for hair. What about the rest of you?

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

«Ծամ»ն եք մորանում...

There are 'four' words denoting "hair" in Armenian; ծամ, հեր, մազ եւ վարս. These words may indicate the presence of four different prehistoric tribal groups within Armenia's ethnogenesis.

Which ones do you mean? And I wonder how you make the correlation. By the etymology of the words?

[Armenian]

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Which ones do you mean? And I wonder how you make the correlation. By the etymology of the words?

Which ones do you mean? And I wonder how you make the correlation. By the etymology of the words?

Lucin jan, I had no particular "tribe" in mind when I made the comment. It was just a speculation on my part, albeit linguistically speaking a sound speculation. As we all know, language is unique to nations but all nations are more-or-less derived from tribal mixes. There are very few, if any, pure/unmixed nations on earth today. More isolated a nation is geographically less mixed they tend to be. When a nation's language has more than one word for one item (as in the Armenian case with the word, hair) it's very probably that in antiquity other linguistic groups were either absorbed into the 'proto' Armenian language or was influence by some political force. Although generally speaking only 'one' language gets to dominate in a linguistic group, the language retains some remnants of other absorbed or influential languages, be it in dialect, lexicon or grammar. We Armenians are a conglomeration, a mix, of various different Anatolian (Asia Minor) and Caucasian tribes. The evidence for this is our history (Urartu), our diverse physical appearance and our unique language, which has an Aryan (Indo-European) foundation but is heavily influence by Caucasian (Kartavelian) and other yet unknown influences.

By the way, in your Armenian/Persian list you did not differentiate between words that have been borrowed and words that have been inherited. The interesting part in this discussion are the 'inherited' words, not the borrowed words. Don't you think it's more interesting to figure out how English and Armenian have almost identical words for "squirrel" (Arm: սկյուռ) and "hair" (Arm: հեր) then "Internet" or "Football"?

The inherited words imply that the two languages in question were derived from one root while borrowed words simply imply that there was cultural/political contact between the two languages. I would suspect most of the Persian words found in Armenian today is borrowed during the pre-Islamic period of the Persian Empire. Due to the closeness of the two peoples during antiquity it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to find the inherited words between the two languages.

I would also like to add two additional words (and one suspect word) that Armenian shares with English:

Agh/Al (Salt)

Barg (bag)

Qsak (sack???)