Are Armenians white????

[Eddo211]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Again, you state bs, without stating your sources, and you have still to prove that you are indeed Armenian, so until you do, please do not refer to Armenians as us, since you are not an Armenian.

I bet Dennis the menace is Georgian....he don't sound Turk.
Say something in Armenian Dennis, like today is going to be a good day" to die"

[levon]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I'm not bragging about anything. I'm simply letting you know that what you have posted is considered bs, and unless you provide your sources that clearly prove the points you are trying to make, then I will continue to call your posts as bs.

Secondly, if some Armenians don't consider themselves white makes no difference racially. If a black man considers himself white, does that make him white? Of course not, and neither would an Armenian seize being white merely because he considers himself asian/middle-eastern.

Thirdly, if you are indeed Armenian, then go ahead and translate this back to English.

Inz djvar e haskanal te inchu ays lakotner@ galis en asy forum@ mtacelov te nrank karox en vat baner grel hayastani masin yev menk chenk nkati vor nrank hay chen. Mi ban e petk asel. nrank ovker vor hay chen yev porcum en hayastan@ anun@ pchacnel kext en, isk ayn bolor@ voronk mer hayrenik@ chen sirum yev porcum en nra anun@ kextotel kextic cacr en.

If you can't speak Armenian, and you spread anti-Armenian sentiments, then you're probably not Armenian.

[UrMistake]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Hey Levon; I see that you live in Kentucky, a community with a little no-less of Armenians in the state.

Armenians are not WHITE.

I know because I have been to many big Armenian communities most Armenians racially look no different then a Azeri/Turk/xxx/Iranian and vice versa.

Our Europid genetics was wiped out when Armenian women were raped...

don't be in denial... there is nothing wrong with being non-white...

Armenians are not white and that's reality.

I also live and many here in diaspora and we can assure you we are ALL white,we are one of the most ancient civilizations probable if you are christian the first one.

So we got in this timeline contacts with many civilizations natural mariges occurred so in this logic you can say greeks are not white or russians or americans or every other nation that exist today,your logic is false..

In what way we remind you the turks?They got the european futures from us greeks and armenians..go learn history first boy

I can see you are not Armenian at all quit bs us if you like to stay here.

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Yes,

look at most y-DNA sites regarding Armenians Tigran;.....

most of it has error on the genetic tests on Armenians because we don't carry a homogeneous blood-line...

our genetics were wiped out.... Turks stood a lot of Europid genes which is why Turks beauty in there population today.

There is no such thing as "Europid" genes, especially if you decide to exclude "Middle-easterns" from this Europid category.

Middle Easterners and Europeans according to Coon classified "Caucasoid" ("White") as distinguishable from "Mongoloid (Asian)", "Capoid and Congoid" ("African") and Australoid. Each of these very broad designations, which have some genetic basis, but are more specifically delineated by physiological typology... such as skin colour, cranial shape and the body's morphology. It is an arbitrary system, in that it picks certain regions as having some "pure" characteristic to them that is designated by each of these racial "types", and then suddenly, all the fringe zones of these "pure" areas start to show a murky, "in-between" racial state that one might call "mixed"... But we're all mixed... that's the problem. In reality, whatever it took to get to the arbitrarily defined racial types of "white" or "Mongoloid" or whatever, were in themselves a product of mixing between different looking groups over a long period of time.

Thus, this whole basis of distinction between "races" is out of fashion today, as we now appreciate through our knowledge of genetics, that all humans share a common ancestry that has diversified through mutations and migrations, some groups mixing, others isolating themselves... but people who prefer one type's appearance over all the others, or otherwise think in terms of some kind of racial supremacist hierarchy, will continue to draw stimulation from these old ethno-centric systems of classification.

If you believe being an Armenian, is being "white" or "non-white", you are missing the point of what it means to be an Armenian, just as you'd be missing the point of being English, or whatever other "white" people you fancy. It's about the culture and your connection to the people and your history that makes a race... not some inferiority complex about "possibly having Turkish, Arab or xxxish blood" that corrupts the "white" part of us, which as levon says (by calling it bs)... is just an opinion unless you can prove it through sources.

[DennisTheMen]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I also live and many here in diaspora and we can assure you we are ALL white,we are one of the most ancient civilizations probable if you are christian the first one.

So we got in this timeline contacts with many civilizations natural mariges occurred so in this logic you can say greeks are not white or russians or americans or every other nation that exist today,your logic is false..

In what way we remind you the turks?They got the european futures from us greeks and armenians..go learn history first boy

I can see you are not Armenian at all quit bs us if you like to stay here.

I never said all the Armenians were non-white Christian Assyrians/Iranians/xxxs/Kurds and etc. although there is many assumptions which I noted earlier...

Most of our Europid Y-DNA...

R1a
R1b

and vice versa are in a minority % in the Armenian population... Turks stood our Aryan (R1a) genetics.

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I never said all the Armenians were non-white Christian Assyrians/Iranians/xxxs/Kurds and etc. although there is many assumptions which I noted earlier...

Most of our Europid Y-DNA...

R1a
R1b

and vice versa are in a minority % in the Armenian population... Turks stood our Aryan (R1a) genetics.

I think you may enjoy reading this thread you're now in, from the beginning to the end. You'll see that you're not the first one to try convincing us the truth of this Stormfront-esque self-hate.

[DennisTheMen]

Re: Are Armenians white????

We armenians; are a mixture of Persians/Semitic-xxxs/Greeks/Slavs/Romans/Kurds/Turks/Arabs.

you can't define a Armenian by it's looks but rather it's culturally latitude.. because we are a diverse group especially when you count the dozens or should say millions of Armenians who just have a sur-name but aren't really Armenian... I have seen many Gypsie/xxx/Arab/Turk looking people.

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

If you're an Armenian, you hate yourself so much in a way that tries to hate us all for who we are. To the point we're you ignore our requests to hear you say something in Armenian, because proving your "cultural identity" has no meaning to you. Only colour, appearance does.

We aren't a mix of other races per se, we just share the same stock(s) as other races, we did not mix with them to the extent you claim. But some studies show that are genetically closest to the stock of people who live in Eastern Turkey and Azerbaijan, the major difference between us and them being a process of Islamification that we did not undergo (or rather, did not die from or get converted by). It is not a process of mixing, thus it is erronous to say we have "Turkish or Azeri blood"... especially when being Turkish or Azeri becomes a matter of religion and belief in the state... Such information is not encoded in the blood. And the same applies to all ethnic groups... You aren't Armenian just because of your genes. Poor you... trying to be something your not ("white"), and yet alienating yourself from the very people you've been born into. That is what excessive vanity can do.

Perhaps the "millions of Armenians who just have a sur-name but aren't really Armenian" is just a sentiment you feel when you look in the mirror, hopelessly comparing yourself to "white people" and not being satisfied in your own appearance, despite your good state of health and opportunities to meet people, including Armenians and find greater self confidence.

[retro]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Whilst Armenians are Armenians and none of us are anything like our ancestors. The Armenian language and much of Armenian culture is actually extremely Indo-European and the Armenians Urartian, ancestors must of acculturated a great deal from them.

From all that has been set forth it is evident that the history of the Armenian people is a direct continuation of the history not only of the Proto-Armenians, but also (and to no lesser degree) of the Hurrians, the Urartians, and the Luwians.

http://rbedrosian.com/Classic/diakph11.htm

The Proto-Armenians where intermediary between Indo-Europeans and the far more ancient Western Semitic peoples. However on blance I'd say that where more Indo-European, at least culturally if not ethnically.

The Armenians Russification (always a step down) is also quite intresting. As some people rather amusingly, confuse Armenians with Russians.

Europeans are Eurasians and they are for the most part a admixture of Western Asian (Indo-European/Indo-Iranic) and indigenous European peoples.

Haplogroups R1a and R1b are both originally from Western Asia (Northern Iran). The only Y European Haplogroup that is indigenous to Europe is Haplogroup I. Which you may be surprised to learn is distantly related to the Semitic Haplogroup J, as it is a subgroup of haplogroup IJ.

The Finns and Lapps are unusual Europeans in so far that they have Haplogroups N which is originally from SE Asia/Siberia. Finns are around 70% European and 30% Asiatic (Ugric). Hence like the Russians the Finns are really a form of white Hunnic peoples. Belive it or not the Berbers/Amazigh have up to 60% Finno-Ugric mtDNA and they have been in North Africa since the last Ice age. Arabs are interlopers in North Africa and the African wanbe Berbers in the south are the Arabs former slaves, not Berbers.

To digress, it's from the Scythians that the Assyrians learned mounted warfare. Scythian remains are R1a1a and R1a is regarded by many as a Indo-Iranic/Hunnic marker.

Tocharian (Indo-European) gold wheels discovered in Jinsha, China.



In Asia the Xiongnu/Huns where a Mongol/Indo-European confederation and they displaced the more Indo-European Yuezhi confederation (decended from the Tocharians). Which is why Hunnic Uighurs to this day are 60% Caucasoid and many have European/Western Eurasian type features and fair skin. The Yuezhi who escaped the Xiongnu entact belted the Scythians out of the way and founded the Kushan empire, only to be later Hellenised.

Ancient Uyghur dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbAQQs5JKo

Western Eurasian elements where in Xinjiang, China over 4,000 years ago.

We can now confidently say that even at the early age of ~4ky BP an R1a1-bearing population of presumably western Eurasian origin had acquired a mixed mtDNA gene pool consisting of both west- and east-Eurasian mtDNA, which agrees with what was presented in the aforementioned documentary, in which many of the seemingly Caucasoid mummies had East Eurasian mtDNA.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/02...ronze-age.html

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Whilst Armenians are Armenians and none of us are anything like our ancestors. The Armenian language and much of Armenian culture is actually extremely Indo-European and the Armenians Urartian, ancestors must of acculturated a great deal from them.



The Proto-Armenians where intermediary between Indo-Europeans and the far more ancient Western Semitic peoples. However on blance I'd say that where more Indo-European, at least culturally if not ethnically.

The Armenians Russification (always a step down) is also quite intresting. As some people rather amusingly, confuse Armenians with Russians.

Europeans are Eurasians and they are for the most part a admixture of Western Asian (Indo-European/Indo-Iranic) and indigenous European peoples.

Haplogroups R1a and R1b are both originally from Western Asia (Northern Iran). The only Y European Haplogroup that is indigenous to Europe is Haplogroup I. Which you may be surprised to learn is distantly related to the Semitic Haplogroup J, as it is a subgroup of haplogroup IJ.

The Finns and Lapps are unusual Europeans in so far that they have Haplogroups N which is originally from SE Asia/Siberia. Finns are around 70% European and 30% Asiatic (Ugric). Hence like the Russians the Finns are really a form of white Hunnic peoples. Belive it or not the Berbers/Amazigh have up to 60% Finno-Ugric mtDNA and they have been in North Africa since the last Ice age. Arabs are interlopers in North Africa and the African wanbe Berbers in the south are the Arabs former slaves, not Berbers.

To digress, it's from the Scythians that the Assyrians learned mounted warfare. Scythian remains are R1a1a and R1a is regarded by many as a Indo-Iranic/Hunnic marker.

Tocharian (Indo-European) gold wheels discovered in Jinsha, China.



In Asia the Xiongnu/Huns where a Mongol/Indo-European confederation and they displaced the more Indo-European Yuezhi confederation (decended from the Tocharians). Which is why Hunnic Uighurs to this day are 60% Caucasoid and many have European/Western Eurasian type features and fair skin. The Yuezhi who escaped the Xiongnu entact belted the Scythians out of the way and founded the Kushan empire, only to be later Hellenised.

Ancient Uyghur dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbAQQs5JKo

Western Eurasian elements where in Xinjiang, China over 4,000 years ago.

I would also like to add that haplogroup genes do not necessarily translate into neatly definable physical appearances, a key point being the difference in appearance between these berbers you bring up, and Finns. Having common DNA doesn't preclude the fact that each group's physical appearance has adapted to their respective climates through a series of mutations that have nothing to do with haplogroups. Haplogroups are merely genetic markers, if you genetically engineer a rat with R1b or whatever, it will not make the rat "white". But because the association between having this genetic marker and also happening to have white skin has been noted especially by lay, vain people from sites like Stormfront, suddenly having R1a or b means being white...