How does everyone feel about Israel?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Is that the same clown from the video above? Mr. Bruce "Khazar" Fein? These AIPAC pigs have no shame.

Kanada, again you're 100% correct. Here is something else I found - The United States (with the help of the J*wish lobby) archived information about the Armenian Genocide and chose to do nothing. Just remember that an Iranian helped find this material for you: It's a Smoking Gun!

"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion… Protests as well as threats are unavailing and probably incite the Ottoman government to more drastic measures as they are determined to disclaim responsibility for their absolute disregard of capitulations …Suggest you inform belligerent nations and mission boards of this.”

(Source: United States of America, National Archives and Records Administration Record Group 59, Records of the Department of State Decimal File 867, Internal Affairs of Turkey; Decimal File 860J, Internal Affairs of Armenia.)

Also added to the Pan-Turk database.

You are comparing to different things with each other America at the beginning of the 20th century to America right now. The position of the xxxs in America was very different than the one that is right now. If the powerful Rothchilds that controlled most of the banking in Europe couldn't get a foot hold in the US, that should show you the difference of both eras. Most of the political elite back then in the US was pro-Armenian and anti-Turkish but they were also against the idea to interfere with what was going on in Europe, the Monroe doctrine.

How can you blame the US without blaming every other country in the world that also did nothing to stop the Turks, only Britain tried to punish the people responsible but failed because of allied imperialism and the fact that they couldn't agree what to do with Asia-Minor. A little fun fact just before WWI Russia was getting ready to partition Asia-Minor together with the UK and take over most of the territories.

[HermanGerman]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Let me make something clear, I myself enjoyed most of Persepolis posts. I just don't want to help Turks duck responsibility. Maybe some of their leaders have been crypto-Jxxden (called DÖNMEH) but this won't make them less guilty. Remeber that the oppression of Armenian people didn't start with the youngturks. Since Turks gain control over Armenia they started reducing the native population of Asia Minor with massacres and oppression. The Adana-massacre or the Hamidian massacres were not the first pogroms against Armenians. Ethnic homogenization and ethnic cleansing has always been part of Turkish policy. It doesn't matter how you call them, crypto-Jxxs, kafir or just nationalists or fascists. They did it in the name of Turks and Turks benefit from their policy.They abused Islam, even declared Jihad against all non-believers. Muslim Turks, Kurds and even some Chechens executed, butchered and raped our people. Crimes like Genocide cannot be commited without involvement of the wast majority of the population, especially in such a non-industrialized nation . There were some Arabs, Kurds and even Turks who were good people and tried to help, but this is absolutely normal. "Expections prove the rule."

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

You are comparing to different things with each other America at the beginning of the 20th century to America right now. The position of the xxxs in America was very different than the one that is right now. If the powerful Rothchilds that controlled most of the banking in Europe couldn't get a foot hold in the US, that should show you the difference of both eras. Most of the political elite back then in the US was pro-Armenian and anti-Turkish but they were also against the idea to interfere with what was going on in Europe, the Monroe doctrine.

How can you blame the US without blaming every other country in the world that also did nothing to stop the Turks, only Britain tried to punish the people responsible but failed because of allied imperialism and the fact that they couldn't agree what to do with Asia-Minor. A little fun fact just before WWI Russia was getting ready to partition Asia-Minor together with the UK and take over most of the territories.

At the beginning of the 20th century, America's foreign policy was ruled mostly by the Rockefeller's Standard Oil and the Brown Brothers and Harriman brothers were the banking giants in America. Britain and America's oil imperialists and their fellow banking partners are the cause for most of the world's wars. Let's not be too ignorant and realize it wasn't in the interest of world powers to stop the Turks from ridding of Armenians.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

At the beginning of the 20th century, America's foreign policy was ruled mostly by the Rockefeller's Standard Oil and the Brown Brothers and Harriman brothers were the banking giants in America. Britain and America's oil imperialists and their fellow banking partners are the cause for most of the world's wars. Let's not be too ignorant and realize it wasn't in the interest of world powers to stop the Turks from ridding of Armenians.

I'm not even implying that but the fact remains that the elite back then was anti-xxxish some prominent Americans even supported Hitler and his plans. Americas imperialism was not pointed towards the east but their west, it was a very different time then today. Britain or it's military tried to get the ones responsible in front of a judge that is more than any power to this day has tried to do. The imperialists back then believed that it was their duty to protect other Christians (was just propaganda) but the populations bought it so they had to play that game. Like UK allied with Greece in their war for independence against their own interests while the other great power except Russia was against it.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I'm not even implying that but the fact remains that the elite back then was anti-xxxish some prominent Americans even supported Hitler and his plans. Americas imperialism was not pointed towards the east but their west, it was a very different time then today. Britain or it's military tried to get the ones responsible in front of a judge that is more than any power to this day has tried to do. The imperialists back then believed that it was their duty to protect other Christians (was just propaganda) but the populations bought it so they had to play that game. Like UK allied with Greece in their war for independence against their own interests while the other great power except Russia was against it.

I doubt the elite was ever anti-J3wish in America. The rules of law were based on Judeo-Christian principles and J3wish organizations have always had a strong foothold in America. Perhaps they weren't as noticeable or outspoken as they are now.

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

How do you know? Why do you talk from name of "many readers" ?

Please get banned again.

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I doubt the elite was ever anti-J3wish in America. The rules of law were based on Judeo-Christian principles and J3wish organizations have always had a strong foothold in America. Perhaps they weren't as noticeable or outspoken as they are now.

No, jooish orgs have not had significant, thus worthy of note, influence until after WWII. Althought the South during the American Civil War did have a joo in a top position, judah benjamin, who is probably the first great American-jooish figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I doubt the elite was ever anti-J3wish in America. The rules of law were based on Judeo-Christian principles and J3wish organizations have always had a strong foothold in America. Perhaps they weren't as noticeable or outspoken as they are now.

Be certain you're correct.

The following passages are from Dr. Raphael's book xxxs and Judaism in the United States a Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25.

"xxxs also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations included an imposta (xxxish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian xxx purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a xxxish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, xxxish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, xxxish merchants frequently dominated.

"This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century xxxs participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750's, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760's, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760's and early 1770's dominated xxxish slave trading on the American continent."

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

People co-sponsoring Genocide bill of US:

S.RES.106
Latest Title: A resolution calling on the President to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing, and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian Genocide.
Sponsor: Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] (introduced 3/14/2007) Cosponsors (33)
Related Bills: H.RES.106
Latest Major Action: 3/14/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations. COSPONSORS(33), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)

Sen Allard, Wayne [CO] - 3/14/2007
Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [DE] - 1/22/2008
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] - 3/14/2007
Sen Brownback, Sam [KS] - 3/21/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 10/4/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] - 5/7/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] - 4/19/2007
Sen Coleman, Norm [MN] - 3/14/2007
Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] - 3/20/2007
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] - 3/14/2007
Sen Dole, Elizabeth [NC] - 3/14/2007
Sen Ensign, John [NV] - 3/14/2007
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] - 3/14/2007
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Johnson, Tim [SD] - 4/11/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Klobuchar, Amy [MN] - 3/14/2007
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] - 3/14/2007
Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 3/19/2007
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 3/14/2007 - that's a big surprise because he's one of the biggest pro-Israeli politicians you can find.
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ] - 3/14/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 3/14/2007
Sen Murray, Patty [WA] - 9/18/2007
Sen Reed, Jack [RI] - 3/14/2007
Sen Reid, Harry [NV] - 4/18/2007
Sen Salazar, Ken [CO] - 4/16/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 3/14/2007
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] - 3/14/2007
Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] - 3/14/2007
Sen Sununu, John E. [NH] - 3/14/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI] - 3/14/2007

Lieberman is "among the strongest backers of Israel on Capitol Hill."[112] Mark Vogel, chairman of the pro-Israel National Action Committee Political Action Committee (NACPAC), has stated that "Joe Lieberman, without exception, no conditions ... is the No. 1 pro-Israel advocate and leader in Congress. There is nobody who does more on behalf of Israel than Joe Lieberman. That is why he is incredibly important to the pro-Israel community." According to The Center for Responsive Politics, Lieberman currently ranks fourth on the list of candidates who received money from pro-Israel Political Action Committees (PACs) in 2006.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

People co-sponsoring Genocide bill of US:

The whole story
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...seph_Lieberman