"White People"

[nunechka]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/brace.html

[nunechka]

http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/kman/the_idea_of_race.htm

[nunechka]

again... MANY SCHOLARS agree (NO SUCH THING as race)

http://www.msmagazine.com/blog/archives/2004/09/why_race_doesna.html

[winoman]

Super posts! good job...

[ArmoBarbi]

this thread is getting as boring as the title itself

You wanna take this outside?

[Anonymouse]

you are too funny, i mention you because you keep blabbing on and on about your nazi like race theories you read in some internet forum... my dear anony, #1 you do need to have some sort of social science degree to push your perspective... that is because if you did then you would've read many books writen by people who study indigenous cultures.

and race was theorized in the last century (meaning the 19th century) (as far as the books can date back to the dead white men who wrote them).

so you dont believe that we have evolved? or that there is evolution constantly?

many scholars of today, in both sociology, anthro, etc... all agree that the word "race" should never be used, and should be thrown out of intelligent discussions in academia...

By stating that if I had a social science degree I would have read many books written by people who study indigenous cultures, that somehow things would be different, you are displaying your ignorance. First of all, this statement is entirely based on the assumption that I have not read any books from diverse writers, and furthermore you go on to smear me and my view as "Nazi like race theories". By doing so, again you display your ignorance on the matter that the Nazi's were not the first to have these theories, nor the last, and furthermore, the idea of different racial groups was not something new only to the Nazis and existed way before throughout history and into antiquity.

That "many scholars" agree there is no such thing as race doesn't mean anything. Essentially it is a fallacy of irrelevance. By the bandwagon fallacy, because many scholars support something does not necessarily make it true. That most modern "scholars" have created an intellectual Berlin Wall and harp on free speech and intellectual liberty by proscribing talk of race, or teaching evolution as holy writ, they are committing the same intellectual bullying that Nazis or Commies committed. It sounds like you only like to agree or here those views in which you are agreed with, and you want to make the very mention of the word 'race' illegal. And you call yourself a liberal. I have always maintained that liberals are only liberal and tolerant of those views which they agree with. We have already seen how 'liberal' and 'tolerant' you and wino have been about dissenting views. Now crawl back behind the intellectual Berlin Wall where you came from.

[nunechka]

ok anony, i'm the ignorant one... OK! SURE! yaaaa! you are right... OK!

it is also apperant to me, that you dont really read my posts... if you were anywhere near elemantary education you would never put nazi and commi in the same sentence, unless you were showing how OPPOSITE and POLAR they are compared to each other...

actually liberals are those that question the mainstream; liberals are tolerant of everyone (unless you want to kill people) liberals are willing to step back, question, criticize, etc... rather those that arent liberals, are so certain of what they believe (you) that THEY cant see the opposing view or anything that doesn't fit into their little comfy world...

i am not from the intellectual berlin wall, i dont even know what this means... i am an average person, i see things from the poor perspective, because thats what I AM... i am not like, i dont have all the great things you do... i dont have the capability to talk from a warm cushy couch like you... thats why i know that if we dont take care of our society, the poor, the challenged, the discriminated, that there is nothing else left to do...

but you dont see that, because you dont have to live like that everyday... how many jobs do you have now??? how many loans do you have to pay off? you dont have to face those issues, do you have a car payment? insurrance? house payment? do you have 2 jobs and school full time? you dont even try to relate, or empathize... you cant see from anothers perspective and you dont even try anony... and that is much scarier and much more distructive then some feminist egalitarian... at least we want to care, and we want to hear what you have to say... at least we believe that we are all the same human beings... that you and I are just as important (equal)...

and a degree is different then some books you have read... TRUST ME!... in a class you dont just read a book, you read it, you challenge your views, you criticize, you brainstorm, you do field work, you compare and contrast, you debate... its completely different... i recommend that you do get a degree in this, and then you can email me 2 years after you have completed your degree, and then we can talk... you will not be this immature anymore... trust me... the classroom environment is MUCH more intellectually stimulating and refreshing.

[Anonymouse]

ok anony, i'm the ignorant one... OK! SURE! yaaaa! you are right... OK!

it is also apperant to me, that you dont really read my posts... if you were anywhere near elemantary education you would never put nazi and commi in the same sentence, unless you were showing how OPPOSITE and POLAR they are compared to each other...

actually liberals are those that question the mainstream; liberals are tolerant of everyone (unless you want to kill people) liberals are willing to step back, question, criticize, etc... rather those that arent liberals, are so certain of what they believe (you) that THEY cant see the opposing view or anything that doesn't fit into their little comfy world...

i am not from the intellectual berlin wall, i dont even know what this means... i am an average person, i see things from the poor perspective, because thats what I AM... i am not like, i dont have all the great things you do... i dont have the capability to talk from a warm cushy couch like you... thats why i know that if we dont take care of our society, the poor, the challenged, the discriminated, that there is nothing else left to do...

but you dont see that, because you dont have to live like that everyday... how many jobs do you have now??? how many loans do you have to pay off? you dont have to face those issues, do you have a car payment? insurrance? house payment? do you have 2 jobs and school full time? you dont even try to relate, or empathize... you cant see from anothers perspective and you dont even try anony... and that is much scarier and much more distructive then some feminist egalitarian... at least we want to care, and we want to hear what you have to say... at least we believe that we are all the same human beings... that you and I are just as important (equal)...

and a degree is different then some books you have read... TRUST ME!... in a class you dont just read a book, you read it, you challenge your views, you criticize, you brainstorm, you do field work, you compare and contrast, you debate... its completely different... i recommend that you do get a degree in this, and then you can email me 2 years after you have completed your degree, and then we can talk... you will not be this immature anymore... trust me... the classroom environment is MUCH more intellectually stimulating and refreshing.

Five paragraphs of larded opinion. For the last time, stop trying to explain to me what a classroom is like and how critical thinking works as if you are the only one in possession of the TRUTH and everyone else is an evil chauvinist fraud. And now you go back to your initial ad hominem of "I recommend you get a degree before your opinions matter". You're the one that keeps responding to me with nothing more than emotional banter and irrational exhuberance. I never ask for you to respond. And when you are displeased with it you resort to blaming me for what is initially your irrationalism. Without emotions and name calling which is usually the brunt of your five paragraph posts, you wouldn't have much to say.

[nunechka]

you are a lost cause!

good luck man!

[CatWoman]

you are a lost cause!

good luck man!

I have a feeling you two are gonna get married AND anony will ask winoman to be the best man!! I can so see this happening!