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Diaspora: Does it have a future?

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  • #41
    Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

    Gazan Jan, bari galust. Arden karotumeyi...

    I'm a spiurqahai (axpar ) and I know that the so-called 'Spiurq' is a eventual dead-end. This is a no brainer. However, more Armenians need to come to this realization.

    The Spiurq is actually a means towards another genocide, albeit a bloodless one. Any Armenian that thinks he or she is going to 'preserve' an Armenian identity within the Diaspora is living a twisted fantasy. No 'ethnic' diaspora on earth has survived intact, especially within friendly environments. The reason why we still have significant numbers of Armenians in the United States is because of large numbers of Armenians comming from the nations of the former Soviet Union and the Middle East during the last twenty-thirty years.

    Imagine what the situation of American Armenians would have been like had there been no such influx of 'off the boat' Armos.

    Note: Please don't bring up jooz. They are a militant religious group that has survived because they have been hated universally since the dawn of history. However, even they, in America, are experiancing alarming intermarriage rates.

    Personally I'm planning on repatriating to the Fatherland with my family within the next ten years or so. I would like to live somewhere in Nork. In the mean while, I only spend my vacations within the Armenian Rebublic. As far as I'm concerned, any 'proud' Armenian that lives without a real viable physical connection to the homeland is living a sad lie. Nonetheless, as long as we have a diaspora, and we will have one for a while, we should make sure that it serves the Hairenik.

    In other words, the homeland must milk the Diaspora while it lasts.

    Any Armenian that lives within the Diaspora and does not intend to return to the homeland one day is a long-term waste for our nation. I only hope that these Armenians, while they exist, impact the homeland in a positive manner.
    Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

    Նժդեհ


    Please visit me at my Heralding the Rise of Russia blog: http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/

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    • #42
      Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

      Originally posted by Armenian

      In other words, the homeland must milk the Diaspora while it lasts.
      .
      I concur with your thoughts but I think it is vital for the diaspora to hold the government of Armenia responsible for taking care of its people as well as recent immigrants. What I'm trying to say is the diaspora should try to minimize the amount of corruption by top officials and hold them accountable.

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      • #43
        Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

        Originally posted by simonig
        I concur with your thoughts but I think it is vital for the diaspora to hold the government of Armenia responsible for taking care of its people as well as recent immigrants. What I'm trying to say is the diaspora should try to minimize the amount of corruption by top officials and hold them accountable.
        That goes without saying.

        However, as the Diaspora holds the Armenian Government responsible they should not impose their political ideologies upon the Armenian Government either. Corruption will subside eventually, its all a matter of economics. For example: A policemen making ten dollars a month needs to suppliment his low income in order to provide for his family. I'm not saying its right, its just a natural by-product of a weak economy and a low GDP. Nonetheless, corruption on earth will always exits, as long as humans exist.

        Btw, the most corrupt criminal entity on earth today is the ruling elite of this nation, USA. Thus, its all relative. Its just that we Armenians have a small nation, a poor nation, a landlocked nation. As a result, any amount of corruption, within any level, effects the general population.

        Some things will take a long time to correct.
        Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

        Նժդեհ


        Please visit me at my Heralding the Rise of Russia blog: http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/

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        • #44
          Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

          Originally posted by Anonymouse
          If you search these forums you can find many of my posts which pretty much say that the diaspora is like an 85-year-old heart, pumping and gasping for its last breaths. It is a mirage and eventually will subside.

          However, is Armenia, or Armenians at that, suited for a war to retake lands? In my opinion, such actions are short-sighted, foolish and suicidal. Retaking lands that have been gone are a pipe dream. If you cannot see this, please ask and I shall get into many specifics.
          I'd like to know your specifics.

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          • #45
            Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

            Originally posted by Armenian
            Btw, the most corrupt criminal entity on earth today is the ruling elite of this nation, USA.
            Ok come on now ... the ruling elite in the US is no pack of angels but calling them "the most corrupt criminal entity" is a bit much
            this post = teh win.

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            • #46
              Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

              Originally posted by simonig
              I don't know how you've managed to avoid assimilation .

              It’s just a matter of education and discipline. Here is what happens here: Almost zero interracial marriage and knowing Armenian with no exception (by having many Armenians schools), the language is the spirit and sooo important. I have some French Armenian friends, honestly speaking; I don’t feel they are Armenian. There is nothing Armenian left in them, maybe just the names, however when I ask them: you feel more French or Armenian? They say: "100% French and 100% Armenian!"
              Last edited by Lucin; 02-05-2007, 10:46 AM.

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              • #47
                Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

                Originally posted by Lucin
                I have some French Armenian friends, honestly speaking; I don’t feel they are Armenian. There is nothing Armenian left in them, maybe just the names, however when I ask them: you feel more French or Armenian? They say: "100% French and 100% Armenian!"
                One could say most of them have nothing french in them either. Actually most frenchmen have nothing french in them.

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                • #48
                  Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

                  Originally posted by axel
                  Actually most frenchmen have nothing french in them.
                  What do you consider French?

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                  • #49
                    Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

                    Originally posted by TomServo
                    What do you consider French?
                    This is not a matter of subjectivity.
                    Should I ask: What do you consider Armenian?

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                    • #50
                      Re: Diaspora: Does it have a future?

                      Originally posted by axel
                      One could say most of them have nothing french in them either.
                      One couldn’t say there is nothing French in them. They speak only French; don’t know a word in Armenian (and besides show no interest in learning it), deprived of Armenian culture or history, maybe the only thing they would mention is some Armenian meal.
                      If dolma or kyufta is what makes them “Armenian”, you can guess now if they are French or not, and how long the Diaspora will persist.

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