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  • #51
    You should hope that Turkey does recognize the Genocide and enters the 21st century finally. If it doesn't, then it won't enter the EU, and if it doesn't enter the EU, then it surely will be in a pickle. That other card you're talking about is just about worthless. It will bring Turkey nothing but painful days ahead, because neither Russia, Iran, or China will ever allow Turkey to achieve this Panturkic dream.
    Ahhh for god's sake... Since you are a side in the Armenian issue your involment causes you to think it is all about genocide claims..
    My guess is that Turkey will not recognize the genocide claims which will have nothing to do wit admission into EU. Now I know that EU has mentioned smt about opening border and so on. But, Armenia is not a major aspect in EU's middle-east policy. And let's admit it, the only reason Turkey is even being
    negotiated is that EU fears that without Turkey it wont be able to form new energy,defence and intelligence policies.EU will talk about he genocide claims, will say that it is a must for Turkey to recognize it, but at the end it will drop the issue. Since it is a show that EU puts on stage to tell the world that it is so democratic and humane if you buy it. There are many dimensions that Turkey and EU must evaluate when forming an alliance, Armenian issue will prove minor. But it is granted, conferences will be held, some parliaments will cry out. Still where benefits lie so does the states....
    As to your analysis about Pan-Turkic strategy. It is a last resort as I mentioned and without a doubt it is a very dangerous attempt which must be calculated very well. But the momentum of the world is changing towards, block economy, block defense which are consisted of same states which unite on same benefits, aims, culture. Those who are alone will be lost, only a fool misses that. If it was worthless we would not be talking about it now. Even at this moment Turkey is giving educational, military, financial support to Turkic Republics. As to Russia and China standing against us, who knows perhaps we will choose to stand with them. After all the unification we are talking about are about current Republics..
    But yet again it is a far away possibility...

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    • #52
      Here's my take on EU's use of the Genocide. The EU will ultimately demand that Turkey accept it. If Turkey refuses, which the EU hopes is the case, then the EU comes out looking righteous while getting to keep Turkey out. It's the perfect tool for the EU to use, and as you must have noticed recently, they recognize it as the perfect tool. Of course, the consequences for Turkey and Armenia are very bad, because Armenia wants Turkey to be part of the EU, not part of another Panturkic nightmare. So the happy ending depends on the education of the Turkish people and their ability to cope with history. Believe me, nobody wants Turks to get a proper education more than we do.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by elendil
        And let's admit it, the only reason Turkey is even being negotiated is that EU fears that without Turkey it wont be able to form new energy,defence and intelligence policies.EU will talk about he genocide claims, will say that it is a must for Turkey to recognize it, but at the end it will drop the issue. Since it is a show that EU puts on stage to tell the world that it is so democratic and humane if you buy it.
        And I was saying all along that EU was missing something that will make it democratic. See? It takes an “Einstein” to figure that out, EU needs Turkey to be complete and functioning.
        I think the majority of Turks have a leak somewhere in their system, my friend your “Kaka” is getting mixed with your brains.

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        • #54
          Both side's are making good point's
          But if i have to choose between Armenian and Turkish logic
          I would definitly go with the Armenian instead of the Turk
          After all what Turk's ever invent?
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #55
            Here's my take on EU's use of the Genocide. The EU will ultimately demand that Turkey accept it. If Turkey refuses, which the EU hopes is the case, then the EU comes out looking righteous while getting to keep Turkey out. It's the perfect tool for the EU to use, and as you must have noticed recently, they recognize it as the perfect tool. Of course, the consequences for Turkey and Armenia are very bad, because Armenia wants Turkey to be part of the EU, not part of another Panturkic nightmare. So the happy ending depends on the education of the Turkish people and their ability to cope with history. Believe me, nobody wants Turks to get a proper education more than we do.
            No doubt what you mention is one-side of the blade that cuts us. However tho other side of the blade which is keeping Turkey out, will cut EU. America will become perfect-dominant over energy sources, since if Turkey is left out by EU it will be either Russia or America to seek alliance with Turkey. With its advanced military, economy America which is superior already, will become much stronger with complete domination in the region. I dont mention the risk of Russia and China alliance.

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            • #56
              And I was saying all along that EU was missing something that will make it democratic. See? It takes an “Einstein” to figure that out, EU needs Turkey to be complete and functioning.
              I think the majority of Turks have a leak somewhere in their system, my friend your “Kaka” is getting mixed with your brains.
              Honestly speaking I could not understand your point. Are you saying solving Armenian issue will make Turkey complete and functioning?
              As to your teasing... Your homour has a bad taste really....

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              • #57
                Both side's are making good point's
                But if i have to choose between Armenian and Turkish logic
                I would definitly go with the Armenian instead of the Turk
                After all what Turk's ever invent?
                It goes without saying that science has never been the dominant side of Turks. From dawning of the race to the end of the Ottomans, Turks were soldiers and governors. Ofcourse things have changed in Turkey now I can tell since I am a physics engineer student. Very valuable scientist have come up and are coming up from Turkish people today. Turks make inventions without doubt however since these are generally applications of current technology and science, it feels like Turkish people have nothing to do with technology. The main problem with direct science researches, is money

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                • #58
                  It seems like both Turkey and EU need each other but EU will not except Turkey under Turkeys terms after all Turkey is a single entity trying to join a Union of country's so the challange the Turkish people have is to encourage the Turkish goverment who is more then willing to implement sweeping changes in Turkish culture of governing and being governed without paying mind to cynics and nationalists because Turkey must achieve European standards on every area to be accepted and respected.

                  I have a dream where one day Turkey will be loved and respected for who they are today (even without self promotion or false flatery) instead of who they were .
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #59
                    I have a question for Turks:

                    Why is it that when attempting to justify the massive fatality rate of Armenians on deportation marches Turks frequently say that the empire was in financial and organizational trouble and couldn't afford food or water, yet it is well documented by survivors and eyewitnesses that those who stopped to eat grass or drink from a stream were executed on the spot? If they found something to eat or drink why were so many not allowed to try to survive?

                    $1 says the response is something along the lines of "all the eyewitnesses and survivors are liars - every single one"

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by efeipek
                      Eu Is Not Important For Us ...We Died For Homeland ...
                      We Died For Us
                      If EU wasn't important to you, PM Erdogan wouldn't beg the Organizers of the Armenian Conference in Turkey, to hold the conference before starting the EU talks Oct.3, 2005 . If you don't want joining EU, that is your personal opinion, Not the "Official" Turkish position.

                      What "Homeland" you died for ?! Your homeland is in "Central Asia" where the seljuks came from, where "Holako" and "Gangis Kan" started the Barberic Attacks in his way to the Weast. You "Dumped" your "Homeland" , You dumped your "Forefathers Land" in Central Asia, and now, you are trying to "Dump" your Asiatic character, and "dream" of being European.

                      You died for you ?! That's what I coulden't understand. How did you die for you !!!!

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