Vive La France !!!!!

[Mher]

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Genocide bill to be introduced in France this fall

July 10, 2012 | 11:32

PARIS. – The French Government will “introduce in fall” the draft law which criminalizes Armenian Genocide’s denial, Co-Chair Franck Papazian of the Coordinating Council of Armenian Organizations of France told Agence France-Presse (AFP) news agency, writes L’Express.

In his turn, the French Senate’s Socialist Party member Philippe Kaldenbach on Monday stated that he applied to the Senate and National Assembly chairmanships and asked them to form a parliamentary group that will work on criminalizing the Armenian Genocide’s denial.

On Monday, Papazian was received by French President François Hollande’s advisor, so as to “sum up the results for organizing the expected meeting with the country’s president in July and to discuss the bill, which the Government will prepare and introduce in fall.”

In Papazian’s words, the meeting with Hollande is scheduled for anytime between July 16 and 30.

http://news.am/eng/news/112802.html

[Mher]

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Denying Armenian 'genocide' is no crime: European court


STRASBOURG, France Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:30am EST


(Reuters) - Denying that mass killings of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 were genocide is not a criminal offence, the European Court of Justice ruled on Tuesday in a case involving Switzerland.

The court, which upholds the 47-nation European Convention on Human Rights, said a Swiss law against genocide denial violated the principle of freedom of expression.

The ruling has implications for other European states such as France which have tried to criminalize the refusal to apply the term "genocide" to the massacres of Armenians during the breakup of the Ottoman empire.

A Swiss court had fined the leader of the leftist Turkish Workers' Party, Dogu Perincek, for having branded talk of an Armenian genocide "an international lie" during a 2007 lecture tour in Switzerland.

Turkey accepts that many Armenians died in partisan fighting beginning in 1915 but denies that up to 1.5 million were killed and that it constituted an act of genocide - a term used by many Western historians and foreign parliaments.

"Genocide is a very narrowly defined legal notion which is difficult to prove," the court said.

"Mr Perincek was making a speech of a historical, legal and political nature in a contradictory debate."

The court drew a distinction between the Armenian case and appeals it has rejected against convictions for denying the Nazi German Holocaust against the xxxs during World War Two.

"In those cases, the plaintiffs had denied sometimes very concrete historical facts such as the existence of gas chambers," the court said. "They denied crimes committed by the Nazi regime that had a clear legal basis. Furthermore, the facts they denied had been clearly been established by an international tribunal."

The judges cited a 2012 ruling by France's Constitutional Council which struck down a law enacted by then President Nicolas Sarkozy's government as "an unconstitutional violation of the right to freedom of speech and communication".

Switzerland has three months to appeal against the ruling.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/17/us-switzerland-turkey-genocide-idUSBRE9BG0O820131217

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Note: Switzerland along with Slovakia were the European countries that criminalized the denial of the genocide. France passed a similar law in winter of 2012 that was soon after struck down thanks to a $100 million lobbying effort by the government of Turkey.

[Artashes]

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They still don't get the difference between freedom of speech & freedom to lie.
And the part about well documented holocaust & questionable Armenian genocide is ludicrous.
Those judges aren't any better than their counterparts in Armenia.
As long as no distinction is made between the freedom of speech & the freedom to propagate lies, judgments like these will continue.
And we want to become a part of that system? And be beholden to judgments like that?
How strange it is that if we pick the path of truth it will be different than all the others.
Let us stick with honesty & decency & be different than them.
Artashes

[Mher]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

They still don't get the difference between freedom of speech & freedom to lie.
And the part about well documented holocaust & questionable Armenian genocide is ludicrous.
Those judges aren't any better than their counterparts in Armenia.
As long as no distinction is made between the freedom of speech & the freedom to propagate lies, judgments like these will continue.
And we want to become a part of that system? And be beholden to judgments like that?
How strange it is that if we pick the path of truth it will be different than all the others.
Let us stick with honesty & decency & be different than them.
Artashes

Unfortunately, they don't seem to understand that you can't have a freedom of speech, when your speech is attempt to manipulate public opinion and public policy, and is backed by nearly unlimited lobbying money and tens of millions of brainwashed turkish rats spread across Europe.

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

They still don't get the difference between freedom of speech & freedom to lie.
And the part about well documented holocaust & questionable Armenian genocide is ludicrous.
Those judges aren't any better than their counterparts in Armenia.
As long as no distinction is made between the freedom of speech & the freedom to propagate lies, judgments like these will continue.
And we want to become a part of that system? And be beholden to judgments like that?
How strange it is that if we pick the path of truth it will be different than all the others.
Let us stick with honesty & decency & be different than them.
Artashes

Unfortunately, they don't seem to understand that you can't have a freedom of speech, when your speech is attempt to manipulate public opinion and public policy, and is backed by nearly unlimited lobbying money and tens of millions of brainwashed turkish rats spread across Europe.

And they couldn't distinguish between freedom to speak and freedom to contrive.
They couldn't distinguish between the freedom to speak and freedom to falsify.
They couldn't distinguish between truth and lies.
And they didn't care.
Artashes

[Haykakan]

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It is utter bs to say that one is more provable then the other since both are extensively documented. It is obvious this ruling has nothing to do with laws or right and wrong and it is purely a political gimmick. Perhaps those of us warning against the empty promises of the west had some merit afterall..

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

They still don't get the difference between freedom of speech & freedom to lie.
And the part about well documented holocaust & questionable Armenian genocide is ludicrous.
Those judges aren't any better than their counterparts in Armenia.
As long as no distinction is made between the freedom of speech & the freedom to propagate lies, judgments like these will continue.
And we want to become a part of that system? And be beholden to judgments like that?
How strange it is that if we pick the path of truth it will be different than all the others.
Let us stick with honesty & decency & be different than them.
Artashes

Unfortunately, they don't seem to understand that you can't have a freedom of speech, when your speech is attempt to manipulate public opinion and public policy, and is backed by nearly unlimited lobbying money and tens of millions of brainwashed turkish rats spread across Europe.

And they couldn't distinguish between freedom to speak and freedom to contrive.
They couldn't distinguish between the freedom to speak and freedom to falsify.
They couldn't distinguish between truth and lies.
And they didn't care.
Artashes

It is utter bs to say that one is more provable then the other since both are extensively documented. It is obvious this ruling has nothing to do with laws or right and wrong and it is purely a political gimmick. Perhaps those of us warning against the empty promises of the west had some merit afterall..

Your a generous man when you use the word "perhaps" Haykakan. Or perhaps your being sarcastic. Probably sarcastic, since it's obviously a blatant lie that was bought & paid for by the scum hominoids that call themselves turks.
Can't help but think the conniving french & their brethren calculated that if they threatened to recognize the Armenian genocide that hominoid (turk) money would start flowing into their pockets.
They don't care about the truth.
But they love money.
That does sound like the west.
Fits like a glove.
Artashes

[Haykakan]

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HOLLANDE URGES ANKARA TO 'RECONCILE' WITH HISTORY

http://asbarez.com/118892/hollande-urges-ankara-to-%E2%80%98reconcile%E2%80%99-with-history/

Monday, January 27th, 2014

French President Fracois Hollande (left) with Turkish President
Abdullah Gul

ANKARA-French President Francois Hollande, during what is being billed
as an historical trip to Turkey, urged Ankara to "reconcile" with
its own history and reaffirmed France's recognition of the Armenian
Genocide, reported Le Monde.

During a joint press conference with Turkish President Abdullah Gul,
Hollande said "Uncovering history is always painful, but must be done"
urging Turkey to address the issue of the Armenian Genocide on the
eve of its centennial.

Hollande's visit marks the first time a French president has visited
Turkey in 22 years.

Gul, on the other hand, said that the matter should be addressed
by historians.

"Woes of 100 years ago are our common woes.... It is not right to pass
these woes from generation to generation," said Gul. "What should be
done, instead of reviving these woes, is to leave these to historians.

This issue can not be tackled unilaterally."

In 2000, France recognized the Armenian Genocide. In 2011 both
branches of the French legislature approved bill to criminalize the
denial of the Armenian Genocide in France. The French Constitutional
Court deemed elements of the bill unconstitutional.

Hollande was asked if he would pursue the passage of such a bill,
to which the French president said: "We will do what is right and
only what is right."

While in Turkey, Hollande is expected to meet with Hrant Dink's widow,
Rakel Dink.

[Artashes]

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HOLLANDE URGES ANKARA TO 'RECONCILE' WITH HISTORY

http://asbarez.com/118892/hollande-urges-ankara-to-%E2%80%98reconcile%E2%80%99-with-history/

Monday, January 27th, 2014

French President Fracois Hollande (left) with Turkish President
Abdullah Gul

ANKARA-French President Francois Hollande, during what is being billed
as an historical trip to Turkey, urged Ankara to "reconcile" with
its own history and reaffirmed France's recognition of the Armenian
Genocide, reported Le Monde.

During a joint press conference with Turkish President Abdullah Gul,
Hollande said "Uncovering history is always painful, but must be done"
urging Turkey to address the issue of the Armenian Genocide on the
eve of its centennial.

Hollande's visit marks the first time a French president has visited
Turkey in 22 years.

Gul, on the other hand, said that the matter should be addressed
by historians.

"Woes of 100 years ago are our common woes.... It is not right to pass
these woes from generation to generation," said Gul. "What should be
done, instead of reviving these woes, is to leave these to historians.

This issue can not be tackled unilaterally."

In 2000, France recognized the Armenian Genocide. In 2011 both
branches of the French legislature approved bill to criminalize the
denial of the Armenian Genocide in France. The French Constitutional
Court deemed elements of the bill unconstitutional.

Hollande was asked if he would pursue the passage of such a bill,
to which the French president said: "We will do what is right and
only what is right."

While in Turkey, Hollande is expected to meet with Hrant Dink's widow,
Rakel Dink.

gull is a conniving turk hominoid.
gull is a lying mouth.
gull says --- it is not right to pass these woes from generation to generation ----
That is exactly what this conniving, scamming turk scum does when the turk govt fraudulently teaches lies to its youth.
------ the issue cannot be taken unilaterally -----
Another turk scam. Another hominoid scam.
It was the unilateral actions of the turks that are responsible for the Armenian genocide of 1915/1923 & the unilateral actions of the ongoing Armenian genocide by denial by the govt & it's citizens.
And by the continued repression and murder of Armenians in THEIR ancestral homeland.
The Hamidian & Adana are the precursor to the genocide.
It is the --- EXCLUSIVE ---- responsibility of the turks turks.
gull fraudulently tries to evolve the world for the unilateral actions of the turks.
----- a turkish scam -----
When the turks of today adamantly deny the Armenian genocide, they actively participate in that genocide.
When the turks of today deny the Armenian genocide, they actively continue that genocide.
The turkish generation today is as conniving as its predessors, and as responsible.
The turks by their very nature are murders, thiefs, & frauds/liers.
Nothing has changed.
They have no humanity in them.
They have no decency in them.
They don't even have a concept of what that means.
Their bald faced liers.
Their turks.
Fro an honest armenian

[UrMistake]

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True that my brother