Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

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confused him with one of his ancestors that xxxxed up so much because he couldn't get a child.
This is not much better, he led two Crusades that failed, cost the state so much money that he had to steal for the people and I mean steal not raise taxes but steal. he slaughtered a sect in the southern of France. so what did he do that was so good?

Perhaps you need to read more about the subject to realize why there are landmarks named after him. Sure he inherited a Kingdom at its height but what would you do differently if you inherited the most powerful Kingdom in Europe? We're not talking about puppets like Bush or Obama here.... but actual Kings who had power over their subjects.

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It's just amazing to see how atheists relate their atheism to their big 'knowledge', 'intellectuality', 'intelligence' and 'higher education'... as if no believers can achieve those...

When atheists do run across believers who are extremely intelligent (those who devote their lives towards noble causes) they will belittle them saying things like "how could someone so brilliant believe in fairy tales".

[KarotheGreat]

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WE don't have more knowledge. There is more knowledge in the world as a collective force which has accumulated over time but a lot of that knowledge is privatized (not accessible by the public).

What does make you say that we don't? I would say most people don't have an interest in accessing the knowledge that is out there. Knowledge today is more available to the public than it was at any other point in history.

[KarotheGreat]

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Perfect, then what's the point of you putting this 'little' 'corrupt', 'opportunist' 'selfish' leader who fought for his position as your avatar? Admit it that you sound more and more like Baliozian...

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It's just amazing to see how atheists relate their atheism to their big 'knowledge', 'intellectuality', 'intelligence' and 'higher education'... as if no believers can achieve those...

Where did you get this from?
Marc Anthony and Augustus were two corrupt bastards, Caesar was even more corrupt and egoistic and opportunistic than both of them combined. Does that make them any less of great men?

[KarotheGreat]

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Perhaps you need to read more about the subject to realize why there are landmarks named after him. Sure he inherited a Kingdom at its height but what would you do differently if you inherited the most powerful Kingdom in Europe? We're not talking about puppets like Bush or Obama here.... but actual Kings who had power over their subjects.

The man participated and led two Crusades that failed. He xxxxed up so much that he had confiscate from his own population to get out of debt. France has had great kings like Filip August but he is not one of them.

ps getting landmarks named after you is not a measure of greatness because Aliyev, Bush, Attaturk have that as well.

[KanadaHye]

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The man participated and led two Crusades that failed. He xxxxed up so much that he had confiscate from his own population to get out of debt. France has had great kings like Filip August but he is not one of them.

ps getting landmarks named after you is not a measure of greatness because Aliyev, Bush, Attaturk have that as well.

He didn't confiscate from his own population as general policy, just from those that owned land and were actively involved in usury. He also didn't forgive the debts that the general population had due to living the lifestyle of drunken sailors. Like I said, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[KarotheGreat]

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He didn't confiscate from his own population as general policy, just from those that owned land and were actively involved in usury. He also didn't forgive the debts that the general population had due to living the lifestyle of drunken sailors. Like I said, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

he only did it when he needed the money that's all, and what does it matter who he did confiscate from.

PS it wasn't landowners but money owners, so the nobility the real users of people didn't lose anything

[KanadaHye]

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Where did you get this from?
Marc Anthony and Augustus were two corrupt bastards, Caesar was even more corrupt and egoistic and opportunistic than both of them combined. Does that make them any less of great men?

Now I see where you get your visions of "heroism" from....

[KanadaHye]

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He didn't confiscate from his own population as general policy, just from those that owned land and were actively involved in usury. He also didn't forgive the debts that the general population had due to living the lifestyle of drunken sailors. Like I said, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

he only did it when he needed the money that's all, and what does it matter who he did confiscate from.

PS it wasn't landowners but money owners, so the nobility the real users of people didn't lose anything

Usury - originally was the charging of interest on loans; this included charging a fee for the use of money, such as at a bureau de change. In places where interest became acceptable, usury was interest above the rate allowed by law.

[Lucin]

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Where did you get this from?
Marc Anthony and Augustus were two corrupt bastards, Caesar was even more corrupt and egoistic and opportunistic than both of them combined. Does that make them any less of great men?

Where do I get from? Just look around or better yet browse through some threads here... atheists constantly brag about their intelligence, intellectuality and knowledge/education...

I believe you mean well but you are a bit confused... we all may be so at some point of our life.

When atheists do run across believers who are extremely intelligent (those who devote their lives towards noble causes) they will belittle them saying things like "how could someone so brilliant believe in fairy tales".

I agree! That or 'hear' voices in their head

[KarotheGreat]

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Now I see where you get your visions of "heroism" from....

Where did I talked about heroism, just told those people were great men?

Usury - originally was the charging of interest on loans; this included charging a fee for the use of money, such as at a bureau de change. In places where interest became acceptable, usury was interest above the rate allowed by law.

Read the word wrong lol
No he confiscated from all the xxxs didn't matter if they had done anything wrong or not. It was enough if they were xxx and had money. His burning of xxxish holy books and the prosecution of the Cathar. And add to that the expansion of the inquisition in France you get the picture of a weak king that couldn't lead lost too much money and made the civilians pay.

The fact that after confiscating the money he didn't allow the debts of the people to be annulled showed that he just wanted money nothing more. There are so many better kings than this fool.